tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-42668156167966597962024-03-15T21:12:11.285-04:00Researching My American and Canadian AncestorsEdwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.comBlogger598125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-22591134029743295622024-02-02T10:39:00.004-05:002024-02-02T10:39:34.844-05:00The Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 3 Issue 1 is published on the yDNA website<p> The latest issue of the Kip-Kipp Newsletter is published on the yDNA website at FT DNA. Although I thought it would be 2 or 3 pages it has expanded to 6 pages due to discussion with another researcher. His comments are added in along with part of an earlier article just to clarify a point. </p><p>Doing the Y-700 test on Edward's DNA has altered my thoughts on keeping up with the Newsletter. Unfortunately it only looks at this one particular line and there are several known lines of Kipp in the Study including one set directly from Germany in the mid 1700s. Anyone wishing to submit articles is most welcome to do so. <br /></p>Elizabeth Kipphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07624850767815592321noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-65865633886445389432024-01-17T06:49:00.002-05:002024-01-17T06:49:25.059-05:00The next issue of the Kip/Kipp Newsletter will be published on the 1st of February 2024<p> The next issue of the Kip/Kipp Newsletter will be published on the 1st of February 2024.</p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-32692764492104959762023-11-05T18:58:00.002-05:002023-11-05T18:58:17.559-05:00Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 4, 2023<p> The Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 4, 2023 is published on the Kip-Kipp yDNA website at FT DNA. It is three pages in length and deals primarily with yDNA results. </p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-65543956990519562902023-08-01T07:59:00.004-04:002023-08-01T07:59:48.612-04:00Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023<p> The Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023 is published on the Kip-Kipp yDNA website at FT DNA. I have reached this point earlier than I initially thought in terms of publishing the Newsletter. I suspect it will now shrink to one or two pages as I am busy revising and editing a publication on another surname. </p><p>Two years have passed now since the death of Edward and not having our daily breaks where we talked about his research primarily as I tend to be a listener rather than a talker I find that I can not at my own age of nearly 78 manage two large studies. My own study is with the Guild of one-name studies and concerns my parent's surnames. My younger sister maintains what I would label a genealogical study of our family whereas my interest lies in the surnames and the path back without really going sideways very often which is more of a genealogical study. </p><p>We continue working our way through Edward's research boxes and the number is decreasing (estimated around 20 to 25 and these boxes are no longer full to the top). We have given away some of the records especially original images in particular lines and a set of records has gone to the Museum in his home town. We need to now put together the sets of data for two areas - one is Kipp and in particular the Kipp descendants of Benjamin Kipp and Elizabeth Force who went west and were amongst the earliest settlers in Chilliwack BC and the other set is for the Allen, Folkins, Parlee families of New Brunswick who were Loyalists coming out of the New England/New York area at the end of the American Revolution to settle in what became New Brunswick.. We need to contact the two archival repositories in BC and NB to see if they are interested in this collection of original images. In the case of the Kipp images they were all published in a book which Edward produced in the mid 1970s and a deposit copy is already in their institution so that the images could simply become a Fonds related to that publication so that the images are available to researchers. The Loyalist group is heavily studied and maintained in New Brunswick and we hope that they too would add this set of images to their collection. That is next summer's project. </p><p>I will continue publishing the journal in hopes that at some point another member of the study will take it on along with the yDNA study itself. But I am not in a rush to remove myself although age will eventually catch up to me. Time does tend to be the hero in these types of studies as one does need space to take on such a commitment and there is plenty of that still. </p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-51342264265413684432023-07-18T06:08:00.002-04:002023-07-18T06:08:17.811-04:00Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023<p> I did complete the next issue of the Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2,
Issue 3, 2023 and will publish it on the 1st of August. It did end up
writing itself which was handy as I have reached an end to useful
information that I can write into the newsletter from my memory. I could
go back through and read everything but it was taking me too long and I
do not have Edward's thoughts with regard to each and every individual
item. The mantle must be taken up by another eventually but for the
moment it will likely become reduced in size and simply contain any
information on the DNA study. </p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-40955064669002926172023-06-13T09:56:00.003-04:002023-06-14T06:08:08.234-04:00Y-700 results in<p>I did post the Kip-Kipp Newsletter on the 1st of May, Volume 2, Issue 2, 2023 on the DNA website for the Kip-Kipp yDNA study at FT DNA.</p><p>The results for Y-700 are in and his haplogroup has been updated to R-FT245480. His matches show ancient Norwegian and more modern Netherlands ancestry with his emigrant ancestor to New Amsterdam/New York being from The Netherlands and arriving circa late 1630s - early 1640s. More information on this in the next Newsletter due 1st of August 2023. Since this is the first Y-700 test on the Kip-Kipp line it will be interesting as predictions have been made that this line was Viking. </p><p> </p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-18356458169497905242023-04-22T09:02:00.004-04:002023-04-22T09:02:38.721-04:00Kipp Newsletter completed<p> The Kipp Newsletter Volume 2 Issue 2 is completed and will be published on the Kip/Kipp site at FT DNA on the 1st of May. </p><p> I completed the Kipp Newsletter day before yesterday but it came with a surprise. I
have not worked on Edward's DNA matches since he passed away. The time
simply escaped me and it was hard to fit it in. He has so many matches
on the many testing sites (most of his ancestors (except for three who
came in the 1800s - one from Norfolk, England (1832) and two from the
Mecklenburg-Strelitz area (1849 and 1867) of present day Germany) were
in the Royal British colonies and New Holland (Dutch colonies) beginning
in 1620 with the later ones coming in the early 1700s (mostly by
1710)). But last issue of the Kipp Newsletter I had talked about looking
at his autosomal matches on ancestry. There has likely been several
hundred or more new additions to his site and with the new technique of
separating into paternal and maternal there was a different way to look
at these matches as I have learned on my own site and those of my
siblings on ancestry. Not having any really close relatives testing,
Edward had often sought to persuade cousins to test and had been
successful with some. He was trying to find his Kipp line back to
Hendrick Hendricksen Kip since the yDNA matched known descendants. The
reach back was in actual fact into the mid 1700s because his 2x great
grandfather Isaac Kipp was born in 1764 which is pretty far back for
just a 2x great grandfather but he was lucky as he was descended from
the youngest sons in two generations. There were four rather interesting
4th to 6th cousin matches that were not in his Ancestry file. One of
them was descendant of Isaac Kipp and Hannah Meed his 2x great
grandparents so eliminated. The other three were all descendant of the
second eldest son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and two of the three cross
matched with Edward. The amount shared quite phenomenal for likely
sixth cousins (28 cM and 22 cM). Given that Ancestry does eliminate DNA
in common with their software package TIMBER this is likely a larger
match. Edward did inherit a substantial amount of Kipp DNA in the cross
between Kipp and Schultz although likely in the 25 to 30% range. The
system is complicated because a Kipp male married a Schultz female and a
Schultz male married a Kipp female so that his second cousins in that
line are all double second cousins making the data difficult to manage.
The match itself is significant because it is large. Shared that with my
eldest last evening and she is keen to work on that when she has time.
It was a dream of her father to find that elusive line back to Hendrick
Hendricksen Kip. There are a number of Isaac Kip lines and other sons
coming down that do not reach into the mid 1700s so one of them perhaps.
Isaac Hendricksen Kip and his wife Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers were the
parents of six sons and one daughter. He had placed the possible
connection in this family line calling the line DNA-3 Kip as he felt it
would be three steps back to this match from his 2x great grandfather.
Definitely more to do as there are a number of matches in common with
these two individuals and I have not yet looked at other matches within
the 4th to 6th cousin range. My first search into the new matches was
quite amazing. Although Ancestry does not provide any chromosomal
details the size of their database and their search engine do make the
results quite interesting and manageable in a different way from the
chromosome matching. </p><p>I continued today working on his 23 and Me matches and again in two years the number of matches greater than 1% shared has increased rapidly and more than half of the first page of matches needed to be painted in DNA painter today and I will work a little on that over the next couple of weeks. The complication for me is not knowing the families that well and the Kipp/Schultz of his paternal grandparents being first cousin with his paternal grandfather being Kipp and his paternal grandmother was a Schultz. One of Edward's Grandfather Kipp's brothers Alfred's daughter Elizabeth married the brother of his paternal grandmother Schutz and the children were then first cousins once removed and second cousin once removed so very close making it hard to distinguish between the Kipp and Schultz lines. I may remove them from the DNA Painter chart and only include Kipp that is not descendant of Kipp-Schultz and the same with Schultz. His tree is large but it is not an easy challenge given that I do not know the families that well. </p><p>I know that I can not do my surname research and Edward's genealogy but I will try to keep it up to date in as much as possible until my oldest daughter retires as she has an interest slowly growing - not quite ready yet to really get into it but time will tell. </p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-50427244680938182862023-04-18T09:19:00.004-04:002023-04-18T09:19:34.336-04:00Kipp Newsletter to come<p> It never ceases to amaze me how fast time passes. It is just over two weeks since I last posted on Edward's blog. <br /></p><p>In between cleaning today I shall think about the Kipp Newsletter once
again and it is getting harder and harder to work on. I do not know the
Kipp family other than what Edward told me but I have his research and
want to be sure that all of it is out there. He put hours into
collecting up all the data. I think a lot of it is but this will put it
all in one place in his study group. I need to look at the yDNA results.
There were several Kip/Kipp families in the United States and most
people are interested in whether they descend from the 1630s-1640s Kip
family emigrants to New Amsterdam (now New York) or the Kipp families
who arrived from Germany in the 1730s-1740s. They do not appear to be
the same family (yDNA) mostly because the Kip family surname was an
addition to the Hendrick Hendricksen's name; the earliest emigrant in
the Kip family of New Amsterdam and not surprisingly he was from The
Netherlands. Although his birth place in The Netherlands, it was very
close to the present day German border and this territory passed back
and forth somewhat. The Kipp family that came in the 1700s actually have
Kipp as their surname and one of the actual descendants of the German
Kipp family has tested his yDNA (he and his line are still in Europe)
which has been rather handy and let it be possible to separate for sure
the Kip family of New Amsterdam/New York from the German Kipp families
who came at a later date. I should actually put this section into
Edward's blog and will do that later today. So probably, as there are
new people coming into the project, I should look at the DNA project
there. He did that himself for the most part although did help with the
grouping when he asked me (I love working with data and appear to have a
good handle on doing that but I am a numbers person). </p><p>This is the time of year that Edward most loved; planting and growing season. Mid-march would see the seed catalogues on his desk and then mid-April setting up the growing lights and then the seeds planted in their peat pots and under the lights. Watching them every day so that he could move the lights upward as the plants grew. </p><p>On to the day and it looks like rain somewhat and it is expected but for sure cloud. It is three degrees celsius at the moment. <br /></p>Elizabeth Kipphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07624850767815592321noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-34835068878868986102023-04-03T06:59:00.003-04:002023-04-03T06:59:30.254-04:00This month's work<p> My older daughter is acquiring an interest in all of this work and
with her background is ideally suited to taking it all over eventually. I
should leave her some exciting work to do! I think genealogy is rather a
field that can be painstakingly slow but with great rewards from this
slow methodical extraction of data. I would say she is more interested
in the people aspect and would like to finish up her Dad's pursuit of
his Kipp ancestor known to be descendant of the Kip family of New
Amsterdam/New York. Isaac Kipp was born 1 Nov 1764 but his parents
remain unknown. He married Hannah Mead/Meed 29 Aug 1790 and she was born
11 Aug 1770. All of this is thought to be in New York State (possibly
in Northeast Town where they are found on the census in 1790 living next
door to or with Jonathan Mead (the Cooper III). On the 1800 census
Isaac and Hannah are at Rensselaerville, New York and they arrived in
southwestern Ontario in the fall of 1800 seeking land as settlers (they
had four of their five sons with them (Jonathan appeared to have been
left behind with his grandfather)). The yDNA for Edward matches the yDNA
of known descendants of the Kip family of New Amsterdam/New York.
Edward has a huge amount of data on the Kip/Kipp family and I
occasionally dip into the DNA results and continue his collection of
that data but have left the rest for another. I will keep up the Kipp
Newsletter that I started (and she helps me when she is here) and this time it is a continuation of the
children of the emigrant Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and it will be Volume 2
Issue 2. That is this month's work. </p>Elizabeth Kipphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07624850767815592321noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-46202523957366848652023-02-01T10:26:00.004-05:002023-02-01T10:26:41.499-05:00Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 2, Issue 1, 2023 posted to the website<p>The next issue of the Kip-Kipp Newsletter is posted to the FT DNA yDNA study website. </p><p> <br /></p>Elizabeth Kipphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07624850767815592321noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-12917940217947787232023-01-19T18:04:00.002-05:002023-01-19T18:04:23.433-05:00Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 1 completed<p>I have the next issue of the Kip-Kipp Newsletter completed. I have changed it up just a little as I found it was taking me longer than expected to complete it each time. It will be published on the 1st of February 2023. </p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-20679677828522234282022-12-05T09:17:00.003-05:002022-12-05T09:26:20.398-05:00Continuing with the purchase from ebay of a researcher studying the Crum family<p> Still continuing with the images of this research done by a family member (it was the husband of a Crum descendant who produced all of these charts). I do not have any information on this individual other than what is in the chart. Edward purchased the material because it mentioned Kipp and he decided that it would be good to look at it in case it furthered his research into the Kip/Kipp family of New York.</p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhSMQexKUnE5p-fmkq2F92mXV_YiRKPg3IJ688B_tjjQmD9ihLRVOEZHkg_LH0OMw3jAPtLVvKvboRpRNDNkPWKZBjLvO_RVHu76XGqmV45rsw9Jmqv7St_Bt8-xFQjoGclEWliPmE7T2mHulu0A_vHPmk2TWOMJ5ooLBVkdQPVE_-HzxT0IOXH1JJFBQ/s5184/IMG_1999.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3456" data-original-width="5184" height="426" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhSMQexKUnE5p-fmkq2F92mXV_YiRKPg3IJ688B_tjjQmD9ihLRVOEZHkg_LH0OMw3jAPtLVvKvboRpRNDNkPWKZBjLvO_RVHu76XGqmV45rsw9Jmqv7St_Bt8-xFQjoGclEWliPmE7T2mHulu0A_vHPmk2TWOMJ5ooLBVkdQPVE_-HzxT0IOXH1JJFBQ/w640-h426/IMG_1999.JPG" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; 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margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3456" data-original-width="4608" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinbKx1xhke4yM7seMpasga0dssh1db1A9Y4gj1HdwqjtUtZeI4OWAqv3dNQoptLQfV2EJXCl90C5BTbqSTUcGr9Kn-UQUCb-MrKzIKE_yiQY20oppjwNtmcIWA1bAAB_h8ZZrsGx62H_POZuoflMDGVy1X9zpfsWYPN759msZ8nSEkG-RFqIrjhNBdLA/w640-h480/IMG_4898.JPG" width="640" /></a></div><br /><p>I believe there are five images left of all of this material. Unfortunately it had been stored for rather a long time in an area where it picked up a lot of odour and we did photograph all of this material outside wearing masks and gloves. I hope that if it valuable to a reader than you can glean important material from it that may be lacking however I also realize that it may just be redundant to many Crum researchers but in the pursuit of not destroying old records I decided to publish what was of value genealogically.</p><p>This material was not sold by the individual who created these charts. It was in the disbursement of his estate that this particular lot of material was placed on ebay. <br /></p><p>Good luck with your research.<br /></p>Elizabeth Kipphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07624850767815592321noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-19570453673765278972022-12-01T20:15:00.002-05:002022-12-01T20:15:38.928-05:00More images of the Crum family records purchased on ebay<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiexp102kNJ3uNwntoJkptvsyDVHZHIXUqIbygA9iltIBQ2VX7nA4QJAweF3dLF-_nyC3i80onuQ1fuUrep0RgDXlct_lZaiIIoZXjuTWuyHudZBVeUVIXCKf0F-eCKidX7wggQLV-fd7fFpuBC2m5-6t5aQI5zsN_3DfECPOEwlLtrNbZETsRCZtTliQ/s1107/1661028368535-crop.JPEG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="830" data-original-width="1107" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiexp102kNJ3uNwntoJkptvsyDVHZHIXUqIbygA9iltIBQ2VX7nA4QJAweF3dLF-_nyC3i80onuQ1fuUrep0RgDXlct_lZaiIIoZXjuTWuyHudZBVeUVIXCKf0F-eCKidX7wggQLV-fd7fFpuBC2m5-6t5aQI5zsN_3DfECPOEwlLtrNbZETsRCZtTliQ/w640-h480/1661028368535-crop.JPEG" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; 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If copying them does not let you view them as well as you would like let me know and I can add a link to this page so that you can download it from my website. <br /></p>Elizabeth Kipphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07624850767815592321noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-50803744120446128662022-11-24T13:39:00.000-05:002022-11-24T13:39:14.785-05:00Indexing the archival boxes<p>I found yet another picture of Edward that had not been scanned. The clothing dates back to an earlier time but the photo appears to be Edward and not his father whom he closely resembled. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEieNyWQnUctcGiQGfKXlJ3TMrv6himXXVVBbwG7OAx3n1Zv3uw5ChQ01Rg1HmU6EBFXUwD7HE2aUxRaAPoUwMJPmuGOigC3Gtd5E4Tt_nTvYZC1j45zLGkX967wvWJtvO5y5ShOqp7ApytO0ADUGFw2kKhOgU1J2Le7pITkRbX68wcrliYTFbT94kJrvA/s4400/Edward%20Kipp%20-%204%20to%205%20years.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4400" data-original-width="3401" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEieNyWQnUctcGiQGfKXlJ3TMrv6himXXVVBbwG7OAx3n1Zv3uw5ChQ01Rg1HmU6EBFXUwD7HE2aUxRaAPoUwMJPmuGOigC3Gtd5E4Tt_nTvYZC1j45zLGkX967wvWJtvO5y5ShOqp7ApytO0ADUGFw2kKhOgU1J2Le7pITkRbX68wcrliYTFbT94kJrvA/w494-h640/Edward%20Kipp%20-%204%20to%205%20years.jpg" width="494" /></a></div><br /><p><br /></p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-84643144529406841512022-11-24T13:37:00.001-05:002022-11-24T13:41:20.893-05:00More images from the ebay purchase<p><br />Time has escaped me as I meant to put these images up online from the Crum family much sooner. I think transcribing them slows me down as I already have so much to do. Instead I will put them up and if you have a question please write to kippeeb@rogers.com and put Crum family in the subject line. That will work better I think. I did find that if I simply copied the image and then took it into powerpoint and enlarged it that I could read it very well. </p><p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEglA7gdtwqg89JJcagXU5FgjjIA-iePJ0G8t86qs4Iw80WKZU1KsCcRXyuAfv0UI0RPH6rckh2t8rNgHqClSNqrKDumNKvexFSXnUcjy2XKkxhNKdMi8UnFCq-u4MxY3jYNF7hV1IvEnzkLjE-yOY1gtmpTH_nG1_7B2cvPoXjNbB1stu2hRrzHy54i4A/s1107/1661028293543.JPEG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="830" data-original-width="1107" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEglA7gdtwqg89JJcagXU5FgjjIA-iePJ0G8t86qs4Iw80WKZU1KsCcRXyuAfv0UI0RPH6rckh2t8rNgHqClSNqrKDumNKvexFSXnUcjy2XKkxhNKdMi8UnFCq-u4MxY3jYNF7hV1IvEnzkLjE-yOY1gtmpTH_nG1_7B2cvPoXjNbB1stu2hRrzHy54i4A/w640-h480/1661028293543.JPEG" width="640" /></a></div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEieRoDN0AIqzmvabF0aQVwBm9KsNPgJzHuU4wWi5QLFP6fDgbo_rPNGDEH2Z3PPj4tu4tH7oD8LjrcAy4MGN0BD6zTACekKvI23ZvU6osD5cOsrRRGyAkQ6-3sWsXfyw5eulPuf9OUy62XV9D5uJFmfn66MQ4zGGprcaSgtsyTDpE0pGW2jddTrfYmpRw/s1107/1661028293578.JPEG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="830" data-original-width="1107" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEieRoDN0AIqzmvabF0aQVwBm9KsNPgJzHuU4wWi5QLFP6fDgbo_rPNGDEH2Z3PPj4tu4tH7oD8LjrcAy4MGN0BD6zTACekKvI23ZvU6osD5cOsrRRGyAkQ6-3sWsXfyw5eulPuf9OUy62XV9D5uJFmfn66MQ4zGGprcaSgtsyTDpE0pGW2jddTrfYmpRw/w640-h480/1661028293578.JPEG" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvCerAgZpdfR5cCiC4ji09KDp9qsQcCWCtVhFSAoHY26CRaW-9EoXcKi33aM27uJL8RRzvaCCaWvT84dP3g0fPQMX-MGzCWwg3jVD1RXo871NZ4Qaa4PbsJhiuZvTQ-PSSw8EJR3lv7unidkN3N7i6AkR3c_GrnNNh0R5ozDDf-OY3eNMAxHbopZYTdg/s1107/1661028293599.JPEG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="830" data-original-width="1107" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvCerAgZpdfR5cCiC4ji09KDp9qsQcCWCtVhFSAoHY26CRaW-9EoXcKi33aM27uJL8RRzvaCCaWvT84dP3g0fPQMX-MGzCWwg3jVD1RXo871NZ4Qaa4PbsJhiuZvTQ-PSSw8EJR3lv7unidkN3N7i6AkR3c_GrnNNh0R5ozDDf-OY3eNMAxHbopZYTdg/w640-h480/1661028293599.JPEG" width="640" /></a></div><p><br /></p>I think this will likely be a large blog file so will just put up three at a time. But this should be speedier. <br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><p></p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-79045280494026770942022-11-15T07:06:00.001-05:002022-11-15T07:06:07.103-05:00Another picture of Edward discovered<p> I am doing an inventory of the Archival Boxes
which Edward created (I want to check with LAC both here in Ottawa and
with the Archival Library for the Province of British Columbia to see if
either of them want all of this material - the Kipp family were early
settlers (1800) in Oxford/Burford Counties in Ontario and in British
Columbia (Chilliwack). He did publish a history of this family (copy at
LAC) and the original images of this family are still in these archival
boxes. I found a lovely picture of him as a young child in this first
Archival Box I have been working on which I have scanned as it seemed to
be missed from the large group of pictures that I scanned for him in
2019 and 2020 (he had not scanned his own pictures at that point). He
would be about 2 and one half years old in this picture and I think he
is living at the home where he grew up after his father passed away
(about three months earlier) but it could also be one of the buildings
around the farm. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiSmgg8KyGUBL9qC3Y-NI9fAJcYDACqnxffw0AbrWLaxDV-mKahFUnJWv6zgv_qveDKVQ7NIWjiEx_BVTVQ8tar4kcIbvOc2kzlsZJkGWik3WEc_ysFycE-dz_Or03vR2Np-Q8ddvgfy8DAnZUk-X5aP93wfsgwtynb2nSkPI5a3KSR5gPEIwIEDj-bfA/s2962/Edward%20Kipp%20-%201945.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2962" data-original-width="2145" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiSmgg8KyGUBL9qC3Y-NI9fAJcYDACqnxffw0AbrWLaxDV-mKahFUnJWv6zgv_qveDKVQ7NIWjiEx_BVTVQ8tar4kcIbvOc2kzlsZJkGWik3WEc_ysFycE-dz_Or03vR2Np-Q8ddvgfy8DAnZUk-X5aP93wfsgwtynb2nSkPI5a3KSR5gPEIwIEDj-bfA/w290-h400/Edward%20Kipp%20-%201945.jpg" width="290" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><p></p><p>Making
an inventory of the archival boxes has proven to be an enormous task as
this first box took me two hours and I am about to break for lunch. I
have all the vacuuming done but still need to dust and scrub, and vacuum
down the stairs. I believe I will work on these archival boxes every
Monday as it is hard work since I am not that familiar with the pictures
in his ancestral line but fortunately he has put pictures into the
Legacy family file which has been excellent. I need to check to make
sure that all of them have been scanned but for the most part I suspect
that will be the case as he spent a lot of time scanning his work. </p><p>As I settle into my task of publishing Edward's research, I hope to have more articles on his blog. <br /></p>Elizabeth Kipphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07624850767815592321noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-84398644540730625712022-11-01T09:38:00.000-04:002022-11-01T09:38:00.941-04:00Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter, Volume 1, Issue 4<p>The latest issue of the Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter, Volume 1, Issue 4 is published on the Kipp yDNA study website. This issue discusses Jacob Hendricksen Kip, son of the immigrant Hendrick Hendricksen Kip to New Amsterdam/New York in the latter part of the 1630s or early part of the 1640s. </p><p>Again I will place the text in this blog but the images will not show. </p><p> The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter</p><p>Table of Contents</p><p>1.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter</p><p>2.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS</p><p>3.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>History of The Kip Family in America</p><p>4.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>What do we know about Jacob Hendricksen Kip (3rd son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip) ?</p><p>5.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Letters to the Editor</p><p>6.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families</p><p>7.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Next Issue</p><p><br /></p><p>1.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter</p><p><br /></p><p>The last issue of Volume 1 and it is a year since I first thought about doing a Kipp Family Newsletter. It is now a year and a half since Edward passed away. Time doesn’t really dim the memory of Edward but does dim the memory of his illness and how difficult it became towards the end of his life. Living in the midst of COVID and trying to protect him from all of that, the memory of those last months have faded now. Mostly I remember all the lovely trips that we took together after I retired in 2008. Edward retired in 2004 but he was only interested in trips on the North American continent. When I finally persuaded him after many years actually (I first went to Europe in 2001), he loved it once he got back home again and six months had passed. He couldn’t wait for the next overseas tour to begin. And so began our booking for particular trips and then preparing our plan for sightseeing around the areas where we were in different hotels on the tours. It worked so very well and we saw a number of items not included on the tour in the big cities that we stayed in. Luckily the hotel choices were often in the midst of the older parts of the cities filled with ancient buildings. We were in the midst of planning a trip to Germany which would include The Netherlands for a short stay in Amsterdam. Edward was in touch with a researcher there that would help to take us through the records of the Kip family held there. Edward’s father Lorne Kipp’s parents were William Henry Kipp and Ida Caroline Wilhelmina Schultz. The Kipp family having their roots in Amsterdam (at the time that they came to the New Amsterdam colony in the 1630s) and the Schultz family having their roots in Mecklenburg-Strelitz from where they came in 1866 (Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Schultz) and 1849 (Wilhemine Fredericka Johanna Niemann). We were busy learning German to help us on that tour around Germany but Edward’s illness had progressed and traveling became out of the question by the end of 2019 so we did have to cancel although we continued working on our German if it happened that there was a change that would permit him to make the trip. </p><p><br /></p><p>2.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS</p><p><br /></p><p>Edward and I were working on his family story in late 2020 and early 2021. I had tried for a few years to get him to write a story of his life for our children but he was busy with all his projects and did keep putting it off. Finally we began to work on it together and that was working fairly well although it is much shorter than I had hoped we might get written. I had written my story and it is now over 2000 pages to be honest but 1800+ pages deal with both of us from the time we first started dating until now. When I sat with him in the hospital one time I told him that I would rename the story as Our Story since I had created the story in parts (Part 1 is my childhood) so Parts 2 to where ever I end up can be Our Story. </p><p><br /></p><p>Edward’s favourite picture was taken in 2004. He is sitting in the Canadian Institute for Scientific and Technical Information building at the National Research Council, Ottawa, Canada where he worked before retirement (for nearly thirty years). Although trained as a scientist (he had his PhD in Inorganic Chemistry, a Postdoc in Environmental Chemical Engineering) he did end up then going back and doing his MLS (masters in library science) and working at the library on the National Research Council Montreal Road Campus in Ottawa. </p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p>Although, having graduated in science myself, I would have enjoyed his continuing to work as a scientist but jobs just weren’t there. But the one thing I really noticed as the time away from the laboratory passed was that he didn’t have a cold all the time. So in the long run it did appear that he was healthier working in the library environment. For that, I was quite content. I would have said he missed being a scientist but he did love working in the library as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>3.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>History of The Kip Family in America</p><p><br /></p><p>https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual </p><p><br /></p><p>This website on Roots Web is still accessible but the entire listing is also on the website which Edward created:</p><p><br /></p><p>https://wc.rootsweb.com/ </p><p><br /></p><p>In World Connect, search the "jump to a specific database" field for edwkipp8</p><p><br /></p><p>Fortunately for the Kip Family in America an earlier researcher put together an extensive family genealogy book “History of The Kip Family in America” by Frederic Ellsworth Kip of Montclair, New Jersey and assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley of Morristown, New Jersey and was published in 1928 at Boston by Hudson Printing Company. It is available on Internet Archive:</p><p><br /></p><p>https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>4.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>What do we know about Jacob Hendricksen Kip (3rd son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip) ?</p><p><br /></p><p>Jacob Hendricksen Kip was the third son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and Tryntje Lubberts. </p><p><br /></p><p>Jacob Hendricksen was baptized 25 May 1631 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, The Netherlands. His death is mentioned as 24 Dec 1690 at Kip’s Bay, New York City. He married Maria de la Montagne 8 Mar 1654 in New Amsterdam, New Netherlands (this area was still a Dutch Colony at the time of his marriage). </p><p><br /></p><p>Edward’s notes for Jacob in Legacy Family Tree:</p><p><br /></p><p>Jacobus Hendricksen Kip was born in Amsterdam, Holland, and emigrated to America with his family. He began his political career in 1647, when only sixteen. He was a clerk in the Provincial secretary's office at New Amsterdam. As early as 1650 he was acting clerk in Director Stuyvesant's Council. In 1650, he was a Deputy Secretary. On Jan. 27, 1653, he was appointed the First Secretary of the Court of Burgomasters and Schepens in New Amsterdam. January 12, 1654, Burgomasters allowed Jacob a salary of 200 Guilders a year as Receiver of the City revenue.</p><p>Jacob Kip resigned the office of Secretary, June 12, 1657, and engaged in brewing, combining with this business that of a general trader or storekeeper. November 29, 1655, he was appointed Vendue Master to Court of Orphen Masters and he was a member of the Board of Schepens in 1659, 1662, 1665, and President of the Board in 1674. After the English conquest of New Netherland in 1664, the Burgomasters and Schepens named their own successors, and Jacob was chosen Schepen in 1665. Jacob was an Officer of the City Militia, having been commissioned Lieutenant by Governor Lovelace on May 1, 1668.</p><p>Jacob was the ancestor of the Kip's Bay, New York and Worchester County, N.Y., Kip Families. The original patent was for the land was granted by Francis Lovelace, Governor, &c., to Jacob Kipp on April 15, 1671. Jacob built a house at Kip's Bay in 1655 (current spot 2nd Ave and 38th Street NYC). This house was erected in 1655; the bricks of which were imported from Holland. It was a large double house, with three windows in a row on one side of the door and two on the other, with one large wing. House was torn down in 1851 to make way for progress.</p><p>Jacob, baptized 25 May 1631 in the Oude Kerk in Amsterdam. DTB 006p306</p><p>Sponsors are Herman Heynrix, probably another brother of Hendrick Hendricksz and Sara Willems, unknown.</p><p>Sources:</p><p>1.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>17th Century Hollanders (online site)</p><p>http://17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/63040141/Hendrick%20Hendricksz%20Kip </p><p>2.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>History of The Kip Family In America, by Frederic E. Kip and Margarita L. Hawley, 1928. No. 3, p. 36, 44. (see Item 3 above).</p><p><br /></p><p>3.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Contributions to the History of the Kip Family of New York and New Jersey, by Edwin R. Purple, 1877, 44 pages.</p><p>https://archive.org/details/contributionstoh1877purp </p><p>4.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Historical Notes of the Family of Kip of Kipsburg and Kip's Bay, New York, by William Ingraham Kip, 1871. [This is an interesting book to look at but is in error as the father of Hendrick Hendricksen would not have been Ruloff De Kype as Hendrick’s second name would then have been Ruloffsen as patronymics were followed in The Netherlands in this time period. Hendrick does list his dwelling place in his betrothal statement and it was in Niewenhuys (refer back to Issue 1 of the Kip Family Newsletter). Beginning on page 12 is a writeup on Jacobus. </p><p>https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/331207/?offset=&return=1#page=10&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= </p><p>5.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol. 1.</p><p>https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/132136/?offset=0#page=1&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= </p><p>Page 18 in the Collection of the NYGBS (Volume 1) has the following: </p><p>den 14 dicto. Jacob Hendrickszen Kip, en Maria de Lamontagne, Van Amsterdam, getrouwt den 8 Mart. (this is page 32 on the page viewer). </p><p>6.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New Amsterdam and New York. </p><p>Marriages from 11 December 1639 to 26 August 1801, edited by Samuel S. Purple, MD, New York, 1890.</p><p>p. 18. 14 Feb. 1654 Jacob Hendrickszen Kip, en Maria de Lamontagne, Van Amsterdam, getrouwt den 8 Mart.</p><p>7. Legal Document of Dutch Colonial Times, by Richard H. Amerman. de Halve Maen, Vol. XXXV, No. 4, Jan. 1961. p. 9, 10 (on viewer page 11,12). Transcription from above MSS item.</p><p>https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/276886/?offset=0#page=1&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= </p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p>8.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The Register of New Netherland 1626 to 1674. By E.B. O'Callaghan. Clearfield Co., Baltimore, MD. 1995. Online at Family Search I found this book which was published at Albany NY by J Munsell, 78 State Street in 1865.</p><p><br /></p><p>https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/404400/?offset=0#page=27&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= </p><p><br /></p><p>P. 27. Jacob Kip, acting Provincial Secretary in 1650.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 28. Jacob Hendricksen Kip named as Deputy Secretary in 1650.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 62 -64. Jacob Kip listed as a Schepen in 1659, 1663 and 11 Aug 1674 named as President as well as Schepen.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 103. Jacob Kip listed as a Town Clerk of New Amsterdam 27 Jan 1653.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 144. Under Landts Vergadering, or Meeting of Magistrates of the several Dutch Towns, holden at New Amsterdam, at which the towns mentioned below were represented, but we have the names only of those from two places. 3 Nov 1663 Jacob Kip, New Amst erdam.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 167. Jacob Kip named To Value the Estates of all persons in New Orange above One thousand Guilders, 1 Feb 1674.</p><p><br /></p><p>9.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Calendar of Dutch Historical Manuscripts in the Office of the Secretary of State Albany, New York 1630-1664, by Edmund B. O'Callaghan, The Gregg Press, Ridgewood, NJ, 1968.</p><p> https://archive.org/details/calendarofhistor00newy/page/40/mode/2up </p><p><br /></p><p>P. 40. Register of Provincial Secretary, Vol. II, p. 163. No date in margin but likely Aug. 1647. Power of Attorney. Jacob Hendricksen Kip to Harman Hendricksen Droogh, his uncle, to receive money due him by the W.I. Company at Amsterdam.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 52. Register of Provincial Secretary, Vol. III, p. 75. March 20, 1651. Deed. Peter Cornelissen to Jacob Hendricksen Kip, of a lot on Manhatten island.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 130. Council Minutes, Vol. V, p. 97. Jan. 27, 1653. Appointment. Jacob Kip to be secretary or clerk to the burgomasters and schepens of New Amsterdam.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 155. Council Minutes, Vol. VI, p. 175. Nov. 29, 1655. Appointment. Jacob Kip, to be vendue master to the court of orphan masters.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 186. Council Minutes, Vol. VIII, p. 596. June 12, 1657. Resignation of Jacob Kip of his office of clerk of New Amsterdam and request that another be appointed in his stead, with order thereupon.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 187. Council Minutes, Vol. VIII, p. 610. June 13, 1657. Order. Continuing Jacob Kip in his office until he have finished transcribing the records thereof.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 221. Council Minutes, Vol. IX, p. 522. March 1, 1660. Petition. Aert Anth. Meddagh, Tonis Gysberts Bogaert, Jorsey Rapelje, Jean Le Cler, Jacob Kip, and others, for permission to plant a village on the river side opposite the Manhatans, in sight of fort Amsterdam, between the lands of said Bogaert and Kip.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 382. Land Papers, Vol. H.H., p. 56. June 21, 1656. Patent. Jacob Kip; lot in the Sheep pasture, New Amsterdam.</p><p><br /></p><p>P. 386. Land Papers, Vol. H.H., p. 127. April 11, 1661. Patent. Jacob Kip; lot in the Sheep pasture, New Amsterdam, adjoining the deacon's lot.</p><p><br /></p><p>10.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>American Family Antiquity. Being an account of the origin and progress of American families, traced from their progenitors in this country, connected with their history abroad. Illustrated with portraits and emblazoned coats armorial. Vol. II. KIP. Albert Welles. American College for Genealogical Registry and Heraldry. New York. 1881. New York Public Library. [This book has ten pages on the Kip family Pages 17 to 26). Again it refers back to the Ruloff De Kype family although generally this has been found to be a false line according to Patronymics and the actual birth place of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. But to be complete in one’s lookback in time it is necessary to relate what is found in the literature.]</p><p>https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/208354/?offset=0#page=11&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= </p><p>11.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Abstract of Title of Kip's Bay Farm in the City of New York, with All Known Maps Relating Thereto, Together With the Water Grants on The East River Adjoining Said Farm, and Releases From the City on the Eastern Post Road. Etc., Etc., Etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, The Early History of the Kip Family and The Genealogy as Refers to Title. By John J Post of the New York Bar. New York. S. Victor Constant. 1894.</p><p><br /></p><p>https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/359077/?offset=0#page=1&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= </p><p>In this particular document, one notes that Post has avoided any reference to Ruloff de Kype beginning with Hendrick Hendricksen Kype and the family information has been taken from the records. </p><p>12.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Original Land Patent: Recorded Vol. 3 of the Patents, page 99. Secretary of State's Office, Albany, New York.</p><p><br /></p><p>https://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/files/1314/0284/1244/Volumes_GG_HH__II_-_Land_Papers.pdf </p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p>To look at the books held by Family Search and with hypertext in the above text it is necessary to have a login and to sign in to read the books. </p><p> The following image I found in Edward’s files and it is the Family Chart of Jacobus Kipp (Chappaqua New York). I do not know the original location of this material but if I happen to find it I will add it later. The original would certainly be a much better image to look at I would suspect. </p><p> </p><p> Hendrick Kype is the 7th Great-Grandfather of Joseph Jacobus Kip</p><p><br /></p><p> * Hendrick Kype</p><p> (1576 - )</p><p> * Margaret De Marneil</p><p> (Abt 1579 - )</p><p> |</p><p> * Hendrick Hendricksen Kip</p><p> (1600 – Sep 14 1685)</p><p> Tryntie Lubberts</p><p> (1599 - After 1665)</p><p> Married Apr 20, 1624</p><p> |</p><p> * Hendrick Hendricksen Kip</p><p> (Aug 14, 1633 - 1670)</p><p> Anna De Sille</p><p> (Nov 6, 1640 - May 20, 1711)</p><p> Married Feb 29, 1659/60</p><p> |</p><p> * Nicasius Kip</p><p> (1666 - Oct 10, 1713)</p><p> Antie Breyant</p><p> (Sep 1671 - Jul 31, 1715)</p><p> Married Dec 20, 1691</p><p> |</p><p> * Cornelius Kip</p><p> (Dec 1699 - Dec 1803)</p><p> Eva Berdan</p><p> (Oct 1697 - Feb 20, 1799)</p><p> Married Sep 17, 1720</p><p> |</p><p> Jacobus James Jacobus</p><p> (May 21, 1716 - Aug 22, 1794)</p><p> * Maritje Cornelese Kip</p><p> (Sep 15, 1726 - Bef Jun 1774)</p><p> Married Jun 23, 1743</p><p> |</p><p> * Nicholas I Jacobus</p><p> (1758 - Dec 27, 1819)</p><p> Maritje Vreeland</p><p> (Oct 5, 1766 - Nov 11, 1836)</p><p> |</p><p> * James N Jacobus</p><p> (Aug 9, 1791 - Feb 2, 1858)</p><p> Getty Doremus</p><p> (Jan 14, 1795 - Feb 7, 1879)</p><p> |</p><p> * Nicolas I Jacobus</p><p> (1822 - May 6, 1901)</p><p> Pricilla Kitchell Buggins</p><p> (Jul 28, 1836 - Apr 19, 1926)</p><p> Married Jun 29, 1865</p><p> |</p><p> * Joseph Jacobus</p><p> (Apr 4, 1875 - )</p><p><br /></p><p>5.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Letters to the Editor</p><p><br /></p><p>This section will be available to anyone wanting to write to the Editor. </p><p><br /></p><p>6.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families</p><p><br /></p><p>Project Statistics</p><p><br /></p><p>Big Y 3</p><p>Distinct Y-DNA Confirmed haplogroups 6</p><p>Family Finder 21</p><p>Paternal Ancestor Information 24</p><p>Total Members 41</p><p>Unreturned kits 4</p><p>Y-DNA Deep Clade (after 2008) 3</p><p>Y-DNA Deep Clade (prior to 2008) 1</p><p>Y-DNA12 17</p><p>Y-DNA25 15</p><p>Y-DNA37 15</p><p>Y-DNA67 12</p><p>Y-DNA111 6</p><p><br /></p><p>I will wait until I have results for Edward’s testing (I am still trying to decide which test to do although do incline towards doing Y-700) before commenting further on the yDNA study in general. The Kip family of New Amsterdam was not the only Kipp family in the 1700s in the United States and more discussion on these early families will also be forthcoming as Edward did spend time looking at these lines. </p><p><br /></p><p>7.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Next Issue</p><p><br /></p><p>The next issue is planned for the 1st of February 2023. Anyone wishing to submit an article/letter to the editor please send to Elizabeth Kipp (kippeeb@rogers.com). </p><p><br /></p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-77754469094294026262022-09-12T08:21:00.000-04:002022-09-12T08:21:05.314-04:00Item purchased on ebay<p>Edward, my husband, purchased an item on Ebay about ten years ago now which was said to have information on the Kipp family. It did have a small amount of information but it was principally on the Crum family. Unfortunately the documents had a strong odour (cigarette, etc) which was impossible to eliminate so I have, except for a few of the copies, discarded the bulk of the material. It was principally letters back and forth between the researcher to whom the records belonged and family members. Since no one had claimed them initially at the death of the researcher (which was more than twenty years ago now), I did not advertise their existence since the letters really did not contain any information that would not already be known to family members. I will, however, publish the material that the researcher produced in case family members search online. I can not attest to the authenticity of any of this work; I am simply providing it in case another may wish to have access to it. I no longer have the originals other than the picture which I will retain for a little longer in case someone notices it and wishes to have it. The name of the researcher is unknown to me. </p><p> I will publish the image and a transcription in as much as I am able to read it. There are more pages which I shall also publish. <br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDyTVPuSRW_yHeqqwZ4OP7agi4SmebxTe31v3aMn7zN3S1sg3un_UdnviHcGeHJ7KJbfENVsiFRSF5ZLvgHjflwCc5vCDDM4zXqtscn-0UkI6Bi3gSyWAP9xTI73Uk45pBeye-4Ro6BQRrU2MDSfDEueN14VSQy9MhoCMlVutGmwXUQAcE9uQexUWnMg/s565/1661028293384-crop.JPEG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="478" data-original-width="565" height="542" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDyTVPuSRW_yHeqqwZ4OP7agi4SmebxTe31v3aMn7zN3S1sg3un_UdnviHcGeHJ7KJbfENVsiFRSF5ZLvgHjflwCc5vCDDM4zXqtscn-0UkI6Bi3gSyWAP9xTI73Uk45pBeye-4Ro6BQRrU2MDSfDEueN14VSQy9MhoCMlVutGmwXUQAcE9uQexUWnMg/w640-h542/1661028293384-crop.JPEG" width="640" /></a></div><br /><p>So NY p 567</p><p>1-1-8</p><p>[The numbering is likely from his compilation of the Crum family]</p><p>Children of DIRCK (Richard) CRUM, son of Floris Willemse <br /></p><p>bapt at NY 19 Nov 1694</p><p>Resided at TAPPAN m Catriena Kuyper</p><p>(Cooper) Crum</p><p>1-1-8-1 HELENA, b 12 Oct 1718</p><p>1-1-8-2 KATHARYNA, b 15 Aug 1722</p><p>1-1-8-3 WILLEMYNTIE, b 9 Oct 1725</p><p>1-1-8-4 DIRCK, b 16 Dec 1728</p><p>1-1-8-5 CORNELIUS, b 27 Apr 1731, settled at HAVERSTRAW</p><p>1-1-8-6 MARIA, 26 Dec 1736</p><p>1-1-8-7 JOHANNES, 5 Jan 1740</p><p>----------------------------</p><p>1-1-8-5 CORNELIUS</p><p>1-1-8-5-1 a. RICHARD, b 4 Feb 1763 - Soldier in Rev (Capt John Doryletys Co)<br /></p><p><br /></p>Elizabeth Kipphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07624850767815592321noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-57953056594605898072022-08-21T07:39:00.002-04:002022-08-21T07:39:35.884-04:00Interesting email on the Kipp-Grubb family<p> An interesting email on the Kipp family of New Amsterdam relating back to Catherine Rosina Kipp b 1707 and daughter of Abraham Kipp b 1680 and his wife Agnet. A second Kip link is mentioned Elizabeth baptized 1718 at Hackensack NJ daughter of Hendrik Kip b 1693 and Geertje Van Dien b 1697. This second Elizabeth Kip does appear in the Kip family tree which my husband has put on line as the Kip-America tree and she was the daughter of Hendrick Kip and Geertruy Van Dien who married 24 Jul 1714 at Hackensack, Bergen Co, NJ. Elizabeth married John A Hopper 9 Apr 1736 at Hackensack. I shall have a look at the information and see what I am able to learn from it. <br /></p>Elizabeth Kipphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07624850767815592321noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-88952831263828258832022-08-01T07:45:00.004-04:002022-10-02T09:18:48.236-04:00Kipp-Kip Newsletter Volume 1 Issue 3 2022 <p> The next issue of the Kipp-Kip Newsletter Volume 1 Issue 3 2022 is available on the website. The email has gone to FT DNA for their approval before distribution. The images are not yet included in the post below but the hypertext link has been posted in this newsletter. The newsletter on the FT DNA website contains all of the relevant images. </p><p></p><p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><span face=""Arial Black",sans-serif" style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 107%;">The
Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Table
of Contents<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">1.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">The
Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">2.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Edward
Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">3.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">History
of The Kip Family in America<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">4.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-ansi-language: EN-CA; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin;">What do we know about Hendrick Hendricksen Kip the emigrant (Part 2 – 1643
-1685)?</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">5.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Letters
to the Editor<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">6.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">yDNA
study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">7.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Next
Issue<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">1.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">The
Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter<br />
<br />
The third issue of this newsletter and I feel a certain momentum as it evolves.
I think what is helpful for me is that I do not have preconceived ideas about
the Kip/Kipp family and can work directly from the information that Edward
collected without any preconceived notions. I did assist him on occasion
extracting information from film but followed a research pattern that he
designed. His interest in Kipp grew exponentially as he discovered via his yDNA
that he did descend from the Kip family of New Amsterdam/New York. That changed
his focus somewhat and he left his investigation of the descendants of the
various Kipp families in his local area to look at the overall Kip/Kipp family
descendants in the 1700s and 1800s. Hence I do find that his trees for his
lines in the present are not necessarily complete plus he did not trace down
female lines in the present consistently – depended on his interest or whether
he was trying to find something. Discussions with Kipp descendants in his area
I was present at and did take notes in those early days as he was trying to
find hints of the ancestral line thought to have lived in the 1700s/1600s in
Dutchess County, New York. I have refrained from mentioning the Newsletter on
line other than in his Kip/Kipp yDNA study as I do not want a lot of emails in
the present trying to connect back to his line in Oxford/Burford Counties of
Ontario. I do not intend to continue his research beyond what he has done but
will leave that with my daughters in the future if it interests them. <br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" />
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">2.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Edward
Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" />
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Edward started to write
his family story (after much prodding by me but only in the last couple of
months before he passed away – I had been suggesting it since I had started
writing my own back in 2012!). However, what he did share was an interesting
look at a child who grew up in a household that included his mother and a
brother eight years older. I would say that he gradually grew used to the idea
of being fatherless but it was a painful experience and perhaps that memory of
a father who cared for him 24/7 from the time he walked at ten months until his
father passed away when he was two years and two months of age was there in his
subconscious and it was very hard to let go. His mother commented to me when we
were first married that he looked for him constantly as a small child and it
did help somewhat when they moved to the house where he grew up away from the
farm and all the familiar sights of those early years. He was about 2 and a
half when they moved. He had five first cousins which must have been helpful
for him as he grew up in the small village that had seen a Kipp family living
there since the early 1800s. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Phyllis Margaret (Link)
Kipp, Allen Charles Kipp, Edward Burnice Kipp and Lorne Bernice Kipp (circa
1945). <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">This picture of Edward as
a toddler with his mother and older brother was found by him when he went
through his mother’s hope chest shortly after he retired in 2004. She had
passed away in 2000 but he had not opened the chest and gone through it before
then. The picture itself had gotten caught on a piece of wood at the bottom of
the chest and was upside down. I could hear the thrill in his voice as he
called me to come and see the picture when I arrived home from work. It is the
only picture of Edward with his father (and entire family for that matter). We
scanned it and made several glossy new copies one of which was on his bulletin
board above his desk. For him that was a pinnacle of his study to find that
picture. Edward is wearing his baptismal suit so can probably be dated 22 Apr
1945 (his father was an Elder at Princeton United Church) when Edward was just
two years of age. It is possible that it was earlier than that but the picture
was undated although I recognized this as the little suit which we still have
from his baptism. <br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" />
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">3.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">History
of The Kip Family in America<br />
<br />
</span></b><a href="https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual</span></b></a><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><br />
This website on Roots Web is still accessible but the entire listing is also on
the website which Edward created:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><a href="https://wc.rootsweb.com/"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">https://wc.rootsweb.com/</span></b></a><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">In World Connect, search
the "jump to a specific database" field for edwkipp8<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">I need to decide if I
should do more with the material in this earlier history. Should I publish
parts of it? It is a mystery at the moment as the book is on Internet Archive
but there are pictures in the book and presumably they are out of copyright
since it was published in 1928 but will check on that. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Fortunately for the Kip
Family in America an earlier researcher put together an extensive family
genealogy book “History of The Kip Family in America” by Frederic Ellsworth Kip
of Montclair, New Jersey and assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley of
Morristown, New Jersey and was published in 1928 at Boston by Hudson Printing
Company. It is available on Internet Archive:<br />
<br />
</span></b><a href="https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt</span></b></a><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"> <br />
<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" />
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">4.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">What
do we know about Isaac Hendricksen Kip (2<sup>nd</sup> son of Hendrick
Hendricksen Kip) ?<br />
<br />
First of all Isaac Hendricksen Kip was the second son of Hendrick Hendricksen
Kip and Tryntje Lubberts. I have omitted the eldest son Abraham who was
christened 6 May 1625 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, The Netherlands. No further
information was found for Abraham and will leave that to another Kip researcher
to solve as a mystery. <br />
<br />
Isaac Hendricksen was baptized 10 Jan 1627 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, The
Netherlands. His death is mentioned as Jul 1678 in New Harlem, New York City.
He married Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers 8 Feb 1653 in New Amsterdam, New
Netherlands (this area was still a Dutch Colony at the time of his marriage). <br />
<br />
Edward’s notes for Isaac in Legacy Family Tree:<br />
<br />
Isaack. He was baptized at the New Church, Amsterdam, Holland, on Jan 10, 1627,
and came to the Dutch Colony of New Amsterdam with his parents. He was admitted
to the Rights of a Great Burgher in New Amsterdam on April 11, 1657, but unlike
his father and brothers did not enter upon a political career. The only office
he held in New Amsterdam was that of stamper, to which he was appointed Feb.
20, 1674, and on Oct. 27, 1675 he was nominated for magistrate of New Harlem.
He was a yacht Captain engaged in river trade between New Amsterdam and the settlements
at Esopus (Kingston) and Fort Orange (Albany). His descendants settled in
Rhinebeck. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Isaack Henrixsz, baptized
January 10, 1627 in the Nieuwe Kerk in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland. Father Henrick
Henrixsz. Mother Trijntje Lubberts. Sponsor is Jan Henrixsz, possibly a brother
of Hendrick Hendricksz.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>DTB 040p377. FHL
Indexing project C90037-2. Film # 113144.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Sources:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">1.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">17th
Century Hollanders<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><a href="http://17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/63040141/Hendrick%20Hendricksz%20Kip"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">http://17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/63040141/Hendrick%20Hendricksz%20Kip</span></b></a><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-no-proof: yes;">This
particular document has original documents of the marriage Isaack’s parents and
a listing of the children which includes mention of Isaack.</span></b><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">2.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Contributions
to the History of the Kip Family of New York and New Jersey, by Edwin R.
Purple, 1877. This book can be found on Internet Archive.org:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><a href="https://archive.org/details/contributionstoh1877purp"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">https://archive.org/details/contributionstoh1877purp</span></b></a><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">The image below is taken
from page 10 of this particular book. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">3.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Historical
Notes of the Family of Kip of Kipsburg and Kip's Bay, New York, by William<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Ingraham Kip, 1871. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Page 10: “Isaac. He had
large landed property in the city, including what now forms the Park. Nassau
street was then called Kip street, in honor of him and is so laid down in the
early maps (Jerome B Holgate, American Genealogy being a history of some of the
early settlers and their descendants, from their first emigration to the
present time with their intermarriages and collateral branches etc, 1851, p.
112). “ The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Volumes 7-8 on page
72 also has a writeup for Isaac Hendrickszen Kip. However mention is made that
Nassau Street below Maiden Lane was named Kip Street as a compliment to Jacob
Kip (brother of this Isaac). But the two publications do provide some
interesting information that Nassau Street between now named Ann Street and
Spruce Street “was originally called Kip Street after one of the family.”<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">4.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Continuing
with William Ingraham Kip’s book: “In 1657, ‘in conformity to the laudable
custom of the city of Amsterdam in Europe,’ the Great Burgher Right was
introduced into New Amsterdam, by Gov. Stuyvesant. It was the selection of
about twenty families who formed the Great Citizenship, the members of which
alone were eligible to the public offices, while the rest of the citizens were
in the Small Citizenship. In the list of the Great Citizenship are found the
names of Hendrick and Isaac Kip (J. Paulding,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Affairs and Men of New Amsterdam: in the time of Governor Peter
Stuyvesant, p. 87). “ I did find it rather interesting that there is a Hendrick
Kip, junior also mentioned establishing that Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (father
of these two men) was still in New Amsterdam in 1657. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-no-proof: yes;"><v:shape id="Picture_x0020_2" o:spid="_x0000_i1031" style="height: 424.5pt; mso-wrap-style: square; visibility: visible; width: 246.75pt;" type="#_x0000_t75">
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">5.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">History
of The Kip Family In America, by Frederic E. Kip and Margarita L. Hawley,
1928.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>No.2, p. 36, 39.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Page 36 of Frederic Kip’s
book has recorded the baptism of Isaack as 10 Jan 1627 with his death in July
1678. Pages 39 to 43 of this same book include details on Isaac including his
marriage to Catalyntje Hendrick Snyers and lists their seven children:
Hendrick, Tryntie, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (died young), Jacob and Johannes. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">This book is available on
Internet Archive:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><a href="https://archive.org/details/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/page/42/mode/2up"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">https://archive.org/details/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/page/42/mode/2up</span></b></a><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">6.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Collections
of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol. 1.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Volume 1 includes
Marriages in the Dutch Church, New York 11 Dec 1639 to 26 Aug 1801. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New
Amsterdam and New York. The Marriages from 11 December 1639 to 26 August 1801,
edited by Samuel S. Purple, MD, New York, 1890. p. 18.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Feb. 8 1653.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Isaac Hendrickszen Kip, en Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">7.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">The
Register of New Netherland 1626 to 1674. By E.B. O'Callaghan. Clearfield Co.,
Baltimore, MD. 1995.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Page 174 of this
particular book prepared by Edmund B. O’Callaghan is a list of the Great
Burghers named in 1657 with Hendrick Kip and Isack Kip named on the 11<sup>th</sup>
of April and Hendrick Kip, junior named on the 17<sup>th</sup> of April in the
year first mentioned. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-no-proof: yes;"><v:shape id="Picture_x0020_3" o:spid="_x0000_i1030" style="height: 304.5pt; mso-wrap-style: square; visibility: visible; width: 281.25pt;" type="#_x0000_t75">
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">8.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Calendar
of Dutch Historical Manuscripts in the Office of the Secretary of State Albany,
New York 1630-1664, by Edmund B. O'Callaghan, The Gregg Press, Ridgewood, NJ,
1968.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">9.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">P.
382. Land Papers, Vol. H.H., p. 56. June 21, 1656. Patent. Isaac Kip; lot in
the Sheep pasture, New Amsterdam.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">10.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">American
Family Antiquity. Being an account of the origin and progress of American<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>families, traced from their progenitors in
this country, connected with their history abroad. Illustrated with portraits
and emblazoned coats armorial. Vol. II. KIP. Albert<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Welles. American College for Genealogical
Registry and Heraldry. New York. 1881. New York Public Library.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">An interesting discussion
about this set of books by Albert Welles on a WikiTree page describes his works
as being fraudulent. Welles had a particular interest in coats of arms and
heraldry but was apparently notorious for fabricating aristocratic pedigrees. Although
these can not be supported by evidence the article goes on to say that they
should be consulted to ascertain and document the origins of pedigrees and
other genealogical details in order to ensure they are discarded as being
fraudulent. This would appear to be the source of the information in Frederic
Ellsworth Kip’s book on the Kip Family of America. The book is available in
electronic form at: </span></b><a href="https://archive.org/details/americanfamilyan00well/page/n29/mode/2up"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">https://archive.org/details/americanfamilyan00well/page/n29/mode/2up</span></b></a><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">11.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Descendants
of Isaac Hendricksen Kip and Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers 1<sup>st</sup>
generation)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Family Group Record for
Isaac Hendricksen Kip<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">=================================================================<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Husband: Isaac
Hendricksen Kip<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Born: Jan 1627 - Amsterdam,
Noord-Holland, Netherlands<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Christened: Jan 10, 1627 - Amsterdam,
Noord-Holland, Netherlands<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Died: Jul 1678 - New Harlem, NY<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Buried: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Father: Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (Cir
1600-1685)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Mother: Tryntje Lubberts (Cir 1599-After
1665)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Marriage: Feb 8, 1653<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Place: New Amsterdam, New <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Other Spouse: Maria Vermilye (1629-<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>)<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Date: Sep 26, 1675 - New <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Harlem, NY<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">=================================================================<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Wife: Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">=================================================================<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Born: Abt 1632 - New Amsterdam, New
Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Christened: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Died: Bef Sep 26, 1675 - New Harlem,
NY<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Buried: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Father: Hendrick Janszen Snyder (Abt
1604-1647)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Mother: Geertje Scheerburch (Abt
1608-<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">=================================================================<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Children<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">1<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>M<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Hendrick Kip<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Born: 1654 - New Amsterdam, New
Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Christened: Feb 8, 1654 - New Amsterdam,
New Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Died: 1713<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Buried: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Spouse: Annetje Jans Van Putten
(1659-1732)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Marr. Date: Bef 1678<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">2<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>F<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Tryntie Kip<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Born: Sep 1656 - New Amsterdam, New
Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Christened: Sep 13, 1656 - New Amsterdam,
New Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Died: Aug 28, 1727<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Buried: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Spouse: Philip De Foreest (1652-1727)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Marr. Date: Jan 5, 1676 - New Amsterdam,
New Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">3<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>M<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Abraham Kip<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Born: Aug 1659 - New Amsterdam, New
Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Christened: Sep 3, 1659 - New Amsterdam,
New Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Died: Jun 1731 - Albany, NY<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Buried: Jun 28, 1731 - Reformed Dutch
Church Cem., Albany, Albany Co., <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>NY<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Spouse: Gessie Van der Heyden (Cir
1667-1748)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Marr. Date: Oct 16, 1687 - Albany, NY, USA<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">4<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>M<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Isaac Kip<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Born: Jun 1662 - New Amsterdam, New
Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Christened: Jun 15, 1662 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Died: Apr 8, 1750 - New York, NY<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Buried: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Spouse: Sarah De Mill (1663-1727)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Marr. Date: Oct 20, 1686<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">5<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>M<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Jacob Kip<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Born: Nov 1664 - New York, USA<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Christened: Nov 19, 1664 - New York, USA<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Died: Beg 1666 - New York, USA<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Buried: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Spouse: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Marr. Date: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">6<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>M<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Jacob Kip<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Born: Aug 25, 1666 - New York, NY<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Christened: Aug 29, 1666 - New York, NY<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Died: Feb 28, 1733 - Kingston, Ulster
Co., NY<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Buried: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Spouse: Rachel Swartwout (1669-1746)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Marr. Date: 1695 - Albany, NY, USA<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">7<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>M<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Johannes Kip<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Born: Jan 1669 - New York, NY<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Christened: Jan 20, 1669 - New York, NY<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Died: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Buried: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Spouse: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Marr. Date: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">=================================================================<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 54pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">12.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">The
y-DNA matches tend to support the possibility that Edward’s 2x great
grandfather Isaac Kipp (born 1 Nov 1764 in New York State) was a descendant of
Isaac Hendricksen Kip. His 2x great grandfather can be found on the 1790 census
living next door or with Jonathan Mead. Isaac was married to Hannah Mead 29 Aug
1790 (all records according to Richard Kipp’s Family Bible). <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">With Isaac Kipp on this
census is his wife Hannah (under the column Free White Female). Their eldest
son Isaac was born in 1790/91 according to the census of 1800. The family
members listed with Jonathan Mead (three males under 16 and four females) does
lend support to the argument that this was Jonathan Mead (the Cooper III).
Jonathan Mead and his wife (thought to be Sarah Thompson) had ten children with
Hannah being the sixth born (11<sup>th</sup> Aug 1770). But this continues a
work in progress although not being pursued by the editor. Of note, the first
census in the United States (1790) took place beginning 2<sup>nd</sup> Aug
1790. On the basis of that, it is perhaps not presumptive to assume that Hannah
was the daughter of this Jonathan Mead and the census taker could not resolve
the idea that one was supposed to resolve the data to the 2<sup>nd</sup> of
August when Isaac and Hannah married the 29<sup>th</sup> of August and just
found it easier to record them together as he would likely have found them when
the census was actually taken (perhaps after the marriage had occurred). But it
is an interesting thought to explain the discrepancy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The birth records and marriage records have
not been located by my husband in spite of many visits to Northeast Town area.
These records were in the Family Bible of one of the sons of Isaac and Hannah –
Richard Titus Kipp. The census of 1800 taken at Rensselaerville NY shows the
Kipp family (Isaac, Hannah and four children) on their way to southwestern
Ontario where they arrived in the Fall of 1800. This census shows Isaac Kipp
with three sons under 10 years of age, 1 son 10 to 16, and himself 26 to 45 and
then his wife 26 to 45. At this time there were actually five sons with the
second eldest (Jonathan b 1792) appearing to remain with his grandfather
Jonathan Mead at Northeast Town. The other sons were Isaac (b 1790/91), James
(b 1793), John (b 1795), and David (b 1797).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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August 1800 which does leave one to think that likely Isaac was born in 1790
and one is left to wonder at the accuracy of the marriage date but I will leave
that for another researcher. I myself saw the dates in the Richard Kipp Family
Bible but they were written in the same hand as information at a later date. The
material on the left hand side of the image below does appear to have been
written in the same hand although whether it was at the same time is difficult
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 18pt;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">The next issue will look
at another one of the sons of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. This issue a little
longer but decided to add in the census and Bible pages for Edward’s 2x great
grandparents.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">5.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">Letters
to the Editor<br />
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This section will be available to anyone wanting to write to the Editor. <br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" />
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">6.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span></b><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">yDNA
study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families<br />
<br />
Project Statistics<br />
<br />
Big Y<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3<br />
Distinct Y-DNA Confirmed haplogroups<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>6<br />
Family Finder<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>21<br />
Paternal Ancestor Information<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>24<br />
Total Members<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>41<br />
Unreturned kits<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>4<br />
Y-DNA Deep Clade (after 2008)<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>3<br />
Y-DNA Deep Clade (prior to 2008)<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>1<br />
Y-DNA12<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>17<br />
Y-DNA25<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>15<br />
Y-DNA37<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>15<br />
Y-DNA67<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>12<br />
Y-DNA111<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>6<br />
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I may wait until I have results for Edward’s testing (I am still trying to
decide which test to do) before commenting further on the yDNA study in
general. The Kip family of New Amsterdam was not the only Kipp family in the
1700s in the United States and more discussion on these early families will
also be forthcoming as Edward did spend time looking at these lines. <br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" />
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Issue<br />
<br />
The next issue is planned for the 1<sup>st</sup> of October 2022. Anyone
wishing to submit an article/letter to the editor please send to Elizabeth Kipp
(</span></b><a href="mailto:kippeeb@rogers.com"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">kippeeb@rogers.com</span></b></a><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;">).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman",serif; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 107%;"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><br /><p></p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-63639733833191480892022-07-16T21:09:00.003-04:002022-07-16T21:09:43.291-04:00Sorting boxes and downsizing<p>We managed to get through about a dozen boxes finding items for the OGS Library if they want them and dividing up Ed's PhD Research notes and his Post Doctoral Study notes. They are mostly reprints so will likely make the decision to recycle all of that paper. I had thought initially of asking his High School in Paris if they would like some of his research material but there really is not all that much left once I removed all the reprints so may just ask if they would like one copy of his thesis as there are two copies although it is available on the Library and Archives site as well. His initial research was new and through the years he has had a lot of citations of the papers which he published - always rewarding to see your work being used for sure. As countries that were not so much into research in the 60s came on line with their research projects in the 80s and 90s he had a resurgence of citations as his work was the original set of papers on his thesis topic. I think perhaps in that there was some gratification for him of his years spent in the laboratory working away on his PhD and his PostDoctoral years before going back and doing his MLS and getting a job at the National Research Council in the Library there (CISTI - Canadian Institute for Scientific and Technical Information. His thirty years there were very interesting to him and he very much enjoyed living in Ottawa close to Library and Archives Canada as he delved into his Kipp ancestors in our early years here. Then we started our travels down into the New England States and New York where they had lived until 1800 coming to Canada as settlers in October of 1800 and settling in the Oxford/Burford Counties area of southwestern Ontario. The loss of his father at the age of two was perhaps one of the driving forces in his hunt for information. We visited many of the farmers known to Edward in the area and a few that were mentioned to him by them before coming to Ottawa so he had a fair amount of information on his family. His success with his research was really a result of all those travels and the advent of yDNA studies. Although he became an ardent member of the Ottawa Branch of the Ontario Genealogical Society (now Ontario Ancestors), his research was not really augmented by doing so but rather he wanted to help other people solve their mysteries with the experiences he had had. Gordon Riddle and he went to the first meetings that Edward attended. Edward was reluctant to go but finally was persuaded to do so. He loved it and was a member for fourty years I think just the year before he passed away.<br /></p>Elizabeth Kipphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07624850767815592321noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-2259689477105652842022-07-16T08:50:00.002-04:002022-07-16T08:50:15.353-04:00Today we are sorting boxes<p>Today we are sorting boxes and preparing an inventory of their contents. I have mostly been using Edward's notes on his blog and other electronic material to work on the Kipp Newsletter but today we are going to label and itemize all of the boxes so that I can start to publish some of his work on other family lines. He was in the process of scanning all the material that he had and recycling the paper copies and it is my aim to continue that process using his blog. <br /></p>Elizabeth Kipphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07624850767815592321noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-22582774436283768242022-06-23T07:00:00.005-04:002022-06-23T07:00:59.162-04:00Next issue of the Kipp-Kip Newsletter<p> The next issue of the Kipp-Kip Newsletter is in process. This has proven to be an interesting look at my husband's work on his family and I hope it is of value to the readers. </p><p>I hope to soon begin publishing some of his other research in this blog. The downsizing continues but has not yet reached into his research boxes. It is a very gradual process as I have discovered. </p><p><br /></p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266815616796659796.post-81633663686727931362022-05-01T07:42:00.000-04:002022-05-01T15:02:00.757-04:00The Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 1 Issue 2 2022<p>The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter</p><p>Table of Contents</p><p>1.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter</p><p>2.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS</p><p>3.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>History of The Kip Family in America</p><p>4.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>What do we know about Hendrick Hendricksen Kip the emigrant (Part 2 – 1643 -1685)?</p><p>5.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Letters to the Editor</p><p>6.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families</p><p>7.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Next Issue</p><p><br /></p><p>1.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter</p><p><br /></p><p>The second issue of the newsletter has proven to be every bit as difficult as the first. It is just over a year since Edward passed away and I do wonder where that year has gone. Of course we have spent much of it inside with COVID restrictions which I actually welcomed. I prefer the quiet solitude of home life to being out and about. But moving on with the newsletter is important to get all of Edward’s research out in the public forum for others to use and enjoy. </p><p><br /></p><p>2.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS</p><p><br /></p><p>I often think that losing one’s father at the age of two must be an extremely traumatic experience. You do not have the luxury of memory as the day to day incidents are quickly lost although probably hover in the back of the brain and display in unusual ways. Not being a clinical psychologist I have no ideas on that but I am suspicious. I did go to Princeton, Ontario, Edward’s home time quite a few times during our married life and he loved it there but he also loved it that he had achieved his desire as a child to go to University and study Chemistry and complete his PhD. Not being able to find a job that made use of all that training did not defeat him but rather he trained to be a Librarian and spent the rest of his working life as as an Information Scientist at the National Research Council in Ottawa. We had married when he completed his HBsc in 1966 so I got to be around for all of those years of work and then the years of traveling which was one of his joys in retirement years (he was retired 17 years). Watching as a person goes through their life is an honour I always feel. I suspect that I am a watcher rather than a doer mostly but it appears I am also capable of doing genealogical research as well but a late bloomer for sure. Edward started young learning about his ancestors from his grandparents and early in our marriage he started to record all of that information he was acquiring and had acquired in his youth. Being the scientist he was, he verified all of that information which entailed trips to many repositories in Ontario after we bought a car. I wasn’t interested in genealogy but I liked being part of Edward’s team and so did do work on it when he asked. </p><p><br /></p><p>3.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>History of The Kip Family in America</p><p><br /></p><p>https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual </p><p><br /></p><p>This website on Roots Web is still accessible but the entire listing is also on the website which Edward created:</p><p><br /></p><p>https://wc.rootsweb.com/ </p><p><br /></p><p>In World Connect, search the "jump to a specific database" field for edwkipp8</p><p><br /></p><p>I need to decide if I should do more with the material in this earlier history. Should I publish parts of it? It is a mystery at the moment as the book is on Internet Archive but there are pictures in the book and presumably they are out of copyright since it was published in 1928 but will check on that. </p><p><br /></p><p>Fortunately for the Kip Family in America an earlier researcher put together an extensive family genealogy book “History of The Kip Family in America” by Frederic Ellsworth Kip of Montclair, New Jersey and assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley of Morristown, New Jersey and was published in 1928 at Boston by Hudson Printing Company. It is available on Internet Archive:</p><p><br /></p><p>https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>4.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>What do we know about Hendrick Hendricksen Kip the emigrant (Part 2 – 1643 -1685)?</p><p><br /></p><p>Hendrick Hendricksen Kip was likely in New Netherland on the 16 Apr 1643. He witnessed a settlement by Gertruyt Jacobs on her children [New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch; Vol. II, Register of the Provincial Secretary 1642 – 1647; Translated by Arnold J. F. van Laer (1974), pp. 115 – 116 [original document # 51c]]. This transcription reads as follows:</p><p><br /></p><p>“Settlement by Geertruyt Jacobs, widow of Gerrit van Vorst, on</p><p>her children of their portion of their father's estate</p><p>[51c] In the year of our Lord [and Savior Jesus Christ,</p><p>one] thousand six hundred and forty-three, [on the 1 6 th] day</p><p>of April, before me, [Cornells van] Tlenhoven, secretary in New</p><p>Netherland, residing in Fort Amsterdam, appeared Geertruy[t]</p><p>Jacobs from Emmenes (a village in the province of Utrecht, near Amersfoort), </p><p>widow of the late Gerrit van Vorst, with</p><p>Oloff Stevensen, commissary of the store, and Hendric Kip, tailor,</p><p>both residents here, her chosen guardians in this case, who declared</p><p>that she intended to enter into the holy state of matrimony with</p><p>Rouloff Jansen from Norway, for which reason she promised, as she</p><p>does hereby, to pay to both her minor children, Jan Gerrltsen and</p><p>Jacob Gerrltsen van Vorst, for their patrimonial estate, when</p><p>they shall have attained their majority, to each the sum of seventy-</p><p>five guilders; and if it should happen that one of the two children</p><p>died before reaching his majority, it is expressly stipulated that</p><p>she, Geertruyt, and he, Rouloff Jansen, shall pay to the survivor</p><p>as his paternal inheritance a double portion, being one hundred</p><p>and fifty Carolus guilders, provided that she, Geertruyt Jacobs,</p><p>the present bride, and Rouloff Jansen, the present bridegroom,</p><p>shall have the use of the aforesaid money without interest until</p><p>the above named children are of full age. They, the bride and</p><p>bridegroom, also promise to bring up the children, keeping their</p><p>capital safe and not touching more than the interest; furthermore,</p><p>that they will rear the children decently, send them to school</p><p>and have them taught reading, writing and a good trade, as decent</p><p>and God-fearing and honest parent are bound to do, but all accord</p><p>ing to their means and no more, doing what [51c (2 )] they may</p><p>expect to justify before God and honest men. They Geertruyt</p><p>Jacobs and Rouloff Jansen, promise to perform and fulfil this in</p><p>whole or in part, without any exception which may in any wise</p><p>contravene this, all without fraud, for which they bind their</p><p>persons and properties, present and future, without any exception,</p><p>subjecting and submitting the same to the Provincial Court of</p><p>Holland and to all other courts, tribunals and judges. In witness</p><p>whereof this is signed by Geertruyt Jacobs, Rouloff Jansen, and</p><p>her chosen guardians, and by me, the secretary, in the record.</p><p>Done in Fort Amsterdam in New Netherland the day and year above</p><p>written.</p><p>Gerttrult Jacop from Eramenis</p><p>Rolof Jansen Haes</p><p>Hendrick Hendricksen Kyp</p><p>Oloff Stevensen</p><p>Acknowledged before me,</p><p>Cornells van Tienh., Secretary”</p><p>Looking at the index there are a number of references to the Kip family (again this is a transcription found on page 507 of the above mentioned Register of the Provincial Secretary transcripted/translated by Arnold J. F. van Laer (1974)):</p><p>“KIP</p><p>Hendrick Hendricksen Kyp</p><p>51c, 60b, 64, 168a, b</p><p>Jacob/Jacob Hendricksz</p><p>147d, 148f, g, i, j, 149c, d, 150h, i, j, 151c, d, e, f, 152d, 153b, 154c, d, f, j, 157h, 158d, g, k, l, m, o, 159b, e, g, 160a, b, g, h, j, 161a, b, c, d, e, f, 162a, b, c, e, f, g, h, i, m, n, 163a, c, d, e, f, 164d, g, 165a, 166b”</p><p>Giving a timeline to these documents (all created in New Amsterdam except those marked with an * and they were at Fort Amsterdam or marked with an a and they were noted as New Netherland or with a b and that is the Island of Manhattan)):</p><p>Number<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Name<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Purpose<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Date</p><p>60b *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Hendrick Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Power of attorney<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>15 Jun 1643</p><p>64<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Hendrick Hendricksen Kijp<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Marriage Contract<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>3 Jul 1643</p><p>168a a<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Hendrick Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Named as Creditor<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>19 Aug 1647</p><p>168b b<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Hendrick Hendricksen Kyp<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Bon<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>19 Aug 1647</p><p>147d<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Quit Claim<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>~ 23 Oct 1645</p><p>148f<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Land Sale<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>15 Sep 1646</p><p>148g<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>17 Sep 1646</p><p>148h<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>18 Sep 1646</p><p>148i a<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>17 Sep 1646</p><p>148j<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>17 Sep 1646</p><p>149c a<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksen Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>19 Sep 1646</p><p>149d a<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>20 Sep 1646</p><p>150h <span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>18 Oct 1646</p><p>150i *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Will Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>17 Oct 1646</p><p>150j *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>18 Oct 1646</p><p>151c *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Bond<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>24 Oct 1646</p><p>151d a<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature Board<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>24 Oct 1646</p><p>151e<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Contract of Sale<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>24 Oct 1646</p><p>151f *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>29 Oct 1646</p><p>152d<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Contract of Sale<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>24 Nov 1646</p><p>153b<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Deed Transfer<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Dec 1646</p><p>154c<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Bill of Sale<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>11 Dec 1646</p><p>154d<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Sublease<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>14 Dec 1646</p><p>154f<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Bond<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>14 Dec 1646</p><p>154j *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Lease<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>26 Jan 1647</p><p>157h<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksen Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Power of Attorney<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>19 Jun 1647</p><p>158d<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Promissary Note<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>26 Jun 1647</p><p>158g<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Power of Attorney<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Jul 1647</p><p>158k<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Bond<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>6 Jul 1647</p><p>158l *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>6 Jul 1647</p><p>158m *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Deed Transfer<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>6 Jul 1647</p><p>158o *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Deed Transfer<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>11 Jul 1647</p><p>159b a<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>17 Jul 1647</p><p>159e *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>20 Jul 1647</p><p>159g *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Transfer <span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>22 Jul 1647</p><p>160a *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>22 Jun 1647</p><p>160b<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Bond<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>23 Jul 1647 </p><p>160g *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>25 Jul 1647</p><p>160h *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>26 Jul 1647</p><p>160j *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>26 Jul 1647</p><p>161a<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>161b *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>161c *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksen Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness as Clerk<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>161d *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature Mark<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>161e *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature Mark<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>161f *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>162a<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature <span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>162b<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature Mark<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>162c<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>162d *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>162e *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature Mark<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>162f a<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>2 Aug 1647</p><p>162g<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature Mark<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>3 Aug 1647</p><p>162h<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>3 Aug 1647</p><p>162i *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>3 Aug 1647</p><p>162m *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendr. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature Mark<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>8 Aug 1647</p><p>162n<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>8 Jul 1647</p><p>163a *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>9 Aug 1647</p><p>163c *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>10 Aug 1647</p><p>163d *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>10 Aug 1647</p><p>163e<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature Mark<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>undated</p><p>163f *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Signed Power of Attorney<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>undated</p><p>164d *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Bond of Surety<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>14 Aug 1647</p><p>164g *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob H. Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>14 Aug 1647</p><p>165a *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Hendricksz Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>14 Aug 1647</p><p>166b *<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Jacob Kip<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Witness Signature<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>16 Aug 1647</p><p><br /></p><p>Interesting that Jacob is signing as a witness but not Isaac Hendricksen Kip who was 20 years of age. </p><p>The document 163f identifies Jacob Hendricksen Kip as at present assistant in the service on the honorable West India Company here (New Amsterdam) and assigns his uncle Harman Hendricksz Drooch (living in Amsterdam, The Netherlands) as his power of attorney to collect his wages in total three hundred and seventy guilders, seventeen stivers, eight pennies from the Directors of the General Chartered West India Company. </p><p>It is also known from Dutch records that Tryntjen Hendricks (their last child known to be born in The Netherlands) was baptized 8 Jun 1636 in the Oude Kerk, Amsterdam – Noord-Holland, The Netherlands (DTB 007p091). The sponsors were Femmetje Lubbers (perhaps a sister to the mother) and Sara Wiltens. Thus showing their presence still in Holland in 1636. Their time of departing from Europe is unknown. Their arrival date in New Amsterdam is also unknown. </p><p><br /></p><p>A further proof of the presence of Hendrick Hendricksz in New Amsterdam on 19 April 1643 was the baptism of his daughter Femmetje at the New Amsterdam Reformed Dutch Church. The lone witness was Jsac Hendrickszen – possibly his son, who would have been 16. (Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol. II, Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968, Gregg Press, NJ. P. 15. 1643, 19 Apr Mr. Hendrick Hendricksz parent, Femmetje child, witnesses Jsac Hendrickszen, Minister Evardus Bogardus. One notes that he is not yet using the surname of Kip. My husband saw the surname Kip as a dit surname (used in French Canadian genealogy and refers to a nickname or alias which is normally added to a surname – with the translation of dit being “as said” or “called”). Edward’s comment on this was: </p><p>“Many books (from 1848 to 1928) give him an ancestry with the surname De Kype. None of</p><p>these books provide a source for this information and the current maintainer of the Kip/Kipp Family in America database has found no evidence to indicate it is true. It would appear his Dutch surname was Hendricksen or Henrixsz or Henrixsen and that sometime between when he arrived in New Amsterdam between 1636 and March 1643 he assumed the surname Kip. This could be described as a "dit" name, since there were several others in New Amsterdam and New England with the surname Hendricksen and also another tailor Hendrick Jansen Snyder, sometimes referred to as Hendrick the tailor.</p><p>This conclusion is supported by a recently found reference in a 1909 book “History of the City of New York in the Seventeenth Century,” by Mrs. Schuyler Van Rensselaer. In Chapter VII she talks about variations in names used in New Amsterdam and she comments “For instance, the first bearer of a name now honorably known in many parts of America was a tailor whose signature for years was Hendrick Hendricksen but afterwards Hendrick Hendricksen Kip – kip meaning a hen or the band that ties a bundle of dried fish.”</p><p>Knickerbocker’s History of New York also has an interesting story about Hendrick.</p><p>He may have been given the surname Kype, Kyp or Kip by his friends. Kip means "chicken" in German, but Hendrick was anything but that as he stood up to authority.</p><p>The motto on the Kip crest that appears in many books "Vestigia nulla retrorsum" means</p><p>Footsteps not backward or Never go back.</p><p>However, the family has used the surname Kip or Kipp since about 1643 so I do not think we are about to change.”</p><p>The New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch Volume II that have been referred to in this issue begins with 1642 and runs to 1647. That there isn't any mention of the family prior to 16 Apr 1643 in this text which does commence 7 Jan 1642. Volume I commences in 1638 and searching on Hendrick Hendricksen revealed one individual who has come to New Amsterdam from Doesburch (sp Doesburg ?). Looking at a current map Doesburg is quite far from Amsterdam and from Niewenhuys (the home village of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip). There was another individual in New Amsterdam with the name Hendrick Hendricksen who was also a tailor so perhaps as Edward mentions this earlier resident went by the name Hendrick Hendricksen Snyder (Tailor in Dutch) and Hendrick took on the surname Kip for reasons known only to time.</p><p>On April 28, 1643, Hendrick Hendricksz Kip was granted a lot in New Amsterdam located east of the fort -- New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch; Volumes GG, HH, & II, Land Papers, Translated and Edited by Charles Gehring (1980); p. 17 [original document #GG 57].</p><p>GG 57 PATENT TO HENDRICK HENDRICKSZ KIP</p><p>We, Willem Kieft, etc... have conceded and granted to</p><p>Hendrick Hendricksz Kip a lot located east of the fort in</p><p>length 7 rods, one foot, 4 inches and 9 grains, and 2</p><p>inches on Willem Heyl's side; a point of land one rod, one</p><p>foot, one grain, further 3 rods; behind in breadth 6 rods,</p><p>5 feet, 4 inches, 9 grains; containing altogether in an</p><p>uneven square 44 rods, 4 feet, 6 inches, 9 grains; with the</p><p>express condition and stipulation etc...</p><p>Done in Fort Amsterdam 28 April 1643, New Netherland.</p><p>There are a number of pages in this transcription that mention Hendrick Hendricksz Kip including 28, 45, 53, 56, and 82. The contained information on the neighbours of Hendrick Kip. I am not able to discover at this time if Edward delved into this information to see if he could conclusively place Hendrick Kip on a particular site. I do know that on one of our visits to Manhattan Island we walked in the area that he thought Hendrick lived in and will have to check his blog to see if he mentions that event. Indeed he does: </p><p> https://americancanadianancestors.blogspot.com/search?q=Manhattan+Island </p><p>On April 28, 1643 Hendrick obtained a patent for a lot east of the fort on Bridge Street near Whitehall where he erected a house and shop. The map below is from Wikipedia. We walked all over this area many many times. Wall Street today was actually a wall across the Manhattan Island controlling access to New Amsterdam. The south part of the Island has been expanded out into the harbour so that this area below would have been much closer to the water in the 1600s than it now appears. I still remember Edward standing at the door which he felt was likely the front of the property that Hendrick Kip lived on. We returned to that area a number of times over a two year period. </p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p>You can see looking at the Subway map below that this enlarged map is just a tiny portion at the bottom of Manhattan Island as you can see Wall Street marked on the Subway map and all of the above is below Wall Street. Going to New York City is certainly a never to be missed treat. Visiting all the areas mentioned in these early books on the original Dutch Settlement there is very readily done. Absolutely everything is in walking distance. I believed we walked on most of these streets over time. We were there in 2005 for a Conference and then again from 2007-2009 (about ten times in total). </p><p> </p><p>I am so very thankful that we were able to do all of this work just after Edward retired. I was actually still working until the end of 2007 but took time off and the weekends and we traveled so very much in those days. The time from the latter 1990s to 2020 when COVID struck were busy busy ones which saw us on the road all over the North Eastern United States, the Maritimes of Canada and the Provinces of Quebec and Ontario. We also went to Conferences in the West as well. Trips to Salt Lake City and the Allen County Library were also very meaningful.</p><p>Certainly finding one’s Kip ancestors involves a great deal of sleuthing. A lot of records appear to have been lost and one must always bear in mind that the records that were created were for that time frame and do not always include all of the information that we need to look back at them. </p><p>But returning to Hendrick Hendricksen Kip’s story, placing him on Manhattan Island was a big step forward. But I have not yet found any notes on how he proved that but suspect he used the reference pages which I mentioned and looked at the various early maps of Manhattan Island. If I discover more plus find that picture I will post it all later.</p><p>Again from Edward’s blog:</p><p>“In 1647 he was chosen as one of the first Board of "Nine Men" to act as Governing Tribunal for New Amsterdam. Apparently he was satirically called "Hendrick Kip of the haughty lip" because he was strong and fearless. He also held office again in 1649 and 1650. He was appointed a Grand Schepen on Feb. 2, 1656, and on April 11, 1657 he was admitted to the Rights of a Great Burgher. Thus he took an important part in the government of New Amsterdam. After New Amsterdam was surrendered, he took the Oath of Allegiance to the English in October 1664.”</p><p>An interesting history from the Contributions to the History of the Ancient Families of New York. Republished by The New York Genealogical and Biographic Records, Volumes 7-8. </p><p>This was written by Edwin R. Purple. </p><p>“The transatlantic pedigree of this family has appeared in various American publications within the last thirty years, and while generally agreeing in the account given of Ruloff De Kype, the first known ancestor of the family in Europe, the statements in reference to the immigrant ancestor to America, Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip, have not always been in accord with each other. It is impossible that the latter was the son of Ruloff De Kype, anglicized to Kip, for had he been, his name would have appeared in our early records as Hendrick Ruloffszen Kip, instead of as we now find it, Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip. From this fact and for the reason that no authority for the European pedigree has been given in the publications referred to, it must with all such of like character, be regarded with suspicion. It has been the intention in these contributions, to confine our researches chiefly to the immigrant ancestors of old New York families and their immediate descendants, drawing the materials therefor, when not otherwise indicated, from the Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New York, and from New York wills and conveyances.”</p><p>Following the surrender of New Amsterdam to the British and the renaming of the city to New York, I do not find material relating to Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip. When Ed and I visited the Library in New York we were able to see the original will for Hendrick. Wearing white gloves, we carefully looked at the manuscript (part of the Kip Family Papers MssCol 1651, New York Public Library, Manuscript Collections. </p><p>There is a publication de Halve Maen, Volume XXXVII, No. 3, October 1962, page 9, 10, 12 and an article on the will of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip appears there. Title of the article (source mentioned above) How Hendrick Hendricksen Kip Bequeathed His Estate.</p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p>Looking at the records in Amsterdam is a next step for any researcher. It is not something that I will do but Edward did find people more than willing to meet with him and go to the archives so that he could see the material and they would also translate the documents for him. </p><p>The next issue will look at one of the sons of Hendrick Hendricksen Kype. </p><p><br /></p><p>5.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Letters to the Editor</p><p><br /></p><p>This section will be available to anyone wanting to write to the Editor. </p><p><br /></p><p>I did receive one email after the publication of the first newsletter hoping that I would continue. If there are any comments which you would like to make this is a good spot to do that. </p><p><br /></p><p>6.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families</p><p><br /></p><p>Project Statistics</p><p><br /></p><p>Big Y 3</p><p>Distinct Y-DNA Confirmed haplogroups 6</p><p>Family Finder 21</p><p>Paternal Ancestor Information 24</p><p>Total Members 40</p><p>Unreturned kits 4</p><p>Y-DNA Deep Clade (after 2008) 3</p><p>Y-DNA Deep Clade (prior to 2008) 1</p><p>Y-DNA12 17</p><p>Y-DNA25 15</p><p>Y-DNA37 15</p><p>Y-DNA67 12</p><p>Y-DNA111 6</p><p><br /></p><p>It is quite a while since I looked at the website display for the Kip—Kipp yDNA study. At some point in the next year I am thinking of doing a y-700 test on Edward’s kit. It was not something that interested him a great deal but if there is sufficient material I think it would be a good addition to the study. </p><p><br /></p><p>There are six members who fit precisely into the New Amsterdam Kip family. Some of these individuals are able to trace back to Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. My husband was unable to find the father for his Isaac Kipp born 1764 in New York State. There are a number of possibilities but over time he was unable to find any of these lines that could be traced down to match up with the birth of his Isaac Kipp. Isaac is on the census in 1790 at Northeast Town with his wife Hannah (Mead) Kipp. They are living next to or with Jonathan Mead. In 1800 they are on the census at Rensselaerville and with them are several of their sons (one son remained at Northeast Town with his grandfather Jonathan Mead). Isaac came to Ontario in the fall of 1800 and applied for land as a settler. More about Isaac another time. </p><p><br /></p><p>In the last issue I mentioned the testing that my husband has done at other companies and that his yDNA is located in the Netherlands area where Hendrick Hendricksen Kip lived before coming to New Amsterdam in the 1640s.</p><p><br /></p><p>I may wait until I have results for Edward’s testing before commenting further on the yDNA study in general. The Kip family of New Amsterdam was not the only Kipp family in the 1700s in the United States and more discussion on these early families will also be forthcoming as Edward did spend time looking at these lines and where they came from. </p><p><br /></p><p>7.<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Next Issue</p><p><br /></p><p>The next issue is planned for the 1st of August 2022. Anyone wishing to submit an article/letter to the editor please send to Elizabeth Kipp (kippeeb@rogers.com). </p><p><br /></p><p> </p>Edwardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09542565242006697334noreply@blogger.com0