The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter
Table of Contents
1. The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter
2. Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS
3. History of The Kip Family in America
4. What do we know about Hendrick Hendricksen Kip the emigrant (Part 2 – 1643 -1685)?
5. Letters to the Editor
6. yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families
7. Next Issue
1. The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter
The second issue of the newsletter has proven to be every bit as difficult as the first. It is just over a year since Edward passed away and I do wonder where that year has gone. Of course we have spent much of it inside with COVID restrictions which I actually welcomed. I prefer the quiet solitude of home life to being out and about. But moving on with the newsletter is important to get all of Edward’s research out in the public forum for others to use and enjoy.
2. Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS
I often think that losing one’s father at the age of two must be an extremely traumatic experience. You do not have the luxury of memory as the day to day incidents are quickly lost although probably hover in the back of the brain and display in unusual ways. Not being a clinical psychologist I have no ideas on that but I am suspicious. I did go to Princeton, Ontario, Edward’s home time quite a few times during our married life and he loved it there but he also loved it that he had achieved his desire as a child to go to University and study Chemistry and complete his PhD. Not being able to find a job that made use of all that training did not defeat him but rather he trained to be a Librarian and spent the rest of his working life as as an Information Scientist at the National Research Council in Ottawa. We had married when he completed his HBsc in 1966 so I got to be around for all of those years of work and then the years of traveling which was one of his joys in retirement years (he was retired 17 years). Watching as a person goes through their life is an honour I always feel. I suspect that I am a watcher rather than a doer mostly but it appears I am also capable of doing genealogical research as well but a late bloomer for sure. Edward started young learning about his ancestors from his grandparents and early in our marriage he started to record all of that information he was acquiring and had acquired in his youth. Being the scientist he was, he verified all of that information which entailed trips to many repositories in Ontario after we bought a car. I wasn’t interested in genealogy but I liked being part of Edward’s team and so did do work on it when he asked.
3. History of The Kip Family in America
https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual
This website on Roots Web is still accessible but the entire listing is also on the website which Edward created:
https://wc.rootsweb.com/
In World Connect, search the "jump to a specific database" field for edwkipp8
I need to decide if I should do more with the material in this earlier history. Should I publish parts of it? It is a mystery at the moment as the book is on Internet Archive but there are pictures in the book and presumably they are out of copyright since it was published in 1928 but will check on that.
Fortunately for the Kip Family in America an earlier researcher put together an extensive family genealogy book “History of The Kip Family in America” by Frederic Ellsworth Kip of Montclair, New Jersey and assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley of Morristown, New Jersey and was published in 1928 at Boston by Hudson Printing Company. It is available on Internet Archive:
https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt
4. What do we know about Hendrick Hendricksen Kip the emigrant (Part 2 – 1643 -1685)?
Hendrick Hendricksen Kip was likely in New Netherland on the 16 Apr 1643. He witnessed a settlement by Gertruyt Jacobs on her children [New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch; Vol. II, Register of the Provincial Secretary 1642 – 1647; Translated by Arnold J. F. van Laer (1974), pp. 115 – 116 [original document # 51c]]. This transcription reads as follows:
“Settlement by Geertruyt Jacobs, widow of Gerrit van Vorst, on
her children of their portion of their father's estate
[51c] In the year of our Lord [and Savior Jesus Christ,
one] thousand six hundred and forty-three, [on the 1 6 th] day
of April, before me, [Cornells van] Tlenhoven, secretary in New
Netherland, residing in Fort Amsterdam, appeared Geertruy[t]
Jacobs from Emmenes (a village in the province of Utrecht, near Amersfoort),
widow of the late Gerrit van Vorst, with
Oloff Stevensen, commissary of the store, and Hendric Kip, tailor,
both residents here, her chosen guardians in this case, who declared
that she intended to enter into the holy state of matrimony with
Rouloff Jansen from Norway, for which reason she promised, as she
does hereby, to pay to both her minor children, Jan Gerrltsen and
Jacob Gerrltsen van Vorst, for their patrimonial estate, when
they shall have attained their majority, to each the sum of seventy-
five guilders; and if it should happen that one of the two children
died before reaching his majority, it is expressly stipulated that
she, Geertruyt, and he, Rouloff Jansen, shall pay to the survivor
as his paternal inheritance a double portion, being one hundred
and fifty Carolus guilders, provided that she, Geertruyt Jacobs,
the present bride, and Rouloff Jansen, the present bridegroom,
shall have the use of the aforesaid money without interest until
the above named children are of full age. They, the bride and
bridegroom, also promise to bring up the children, keeping their
capital safe and not touching more than the interest; furthermore,
that they will rear the children decently, send them to school
and have them taught reading, writing and a good trade, as decent
and God-fearing and honest parent are bound to do, but all accord
ing to their means and no more, doing what [51c (2 )] they may
expect to justify before God and honest men. They Geertruyt
Jacobs and Rouloff Jansen, promise to perform and fulfil this in
whole or in part, without any exception which may in any wise
contravene this, all without fraud, for which they bind their
persons and properties, present and future, without any exception,
subjecting and submitting the same to the Provincial Court of
Holland and to all other courts, tribunals and judges. In witness
whereof this is signed by Geertruyt Jacobs, Rouloff Jansen, and
her chosen guardians, and by me, the secretary, in the record.
Done in Fort Amsterdam in New Netherland the day and year above
written.
Gerttrult Jacop from Eramenis
Rolof Jansen Haes
Hendrick Hendricksen Kyp
Oloff Stevensen
Acknowledged before me,
Cornells van Tienh., Secretary”
Looking at the index there are a number of references to the Kip family (again this is a transcription found on page 507 of the above mentioned Register of the Provincial Secretary transcripted/translated by Arnold J. F. van Laer (1974)):
“KIP
Hendrick Hendricksen Kyp
51c, 60b, 64, 168a, b
Jacob/Jacob Hendricksz
147d, 148f, g, i, j, 149c, d, 150h, i, j, 151c, d, e, f, 152d, 153b, 154c, d, f, j, 157h, 158d, g, k, l, m, o, 159b, e, g, 160a, b, g, h, j, 161a, b, c, d, e, f, 162a, b, c, e, f, g, h, i, m, n, 163a, c, d, e, f, 164d, g, 165a, 166b”
Giving a timeline to these documents (all created in New Amsterdam except those marked with an * and they were at Fort Amsterdam or marked with an a and they were noted as New Netherland or with a b and that is the Island of Manhattan)):
Number Name Purpose Date
60b * Hendrick Kip Power of attorney 15 Jun 1643
64 Hendrick Hendricksen Kijp Witness Marriage Contract 3 Jul 1643
168a a Hendrick Hendricksz Kip Named as Creditor 19 Aug 1647
168b b Hendrick Hendricksen Kyp Witness Bon 19 Aug 1647
147d Jacob Kip Witness Quit Claim ~ 23 Oct 1645
148f Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Land Sale 15 Sep 1646
148g Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Signature 17 Sep 1646
148h Jacob Kip Witness Signature 18 Sep 1646
148i a Jacob Kip Witness Signature 17 Sep 1646
148j Jacob Kip Witness Signature 17 Sep 1646
149c a Jacob Hendricksen Kip Witness Signature 19 Sep 1646
149d a Jacob H Kip Witness Signature 20 Sep 1646
150h Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Signature 18 Oct 1646
150i * Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Will Signature 17 Oct 1646
150j * Jacob Kip Witness Signature 18 Oct 1646
151c * Jacob H. Kip Witness Bond 24 Oct 1646
151d a Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature Board 24 Oct 1646
151e Jacob Kip Witness Contract of Sale 24 Oct 1646
151f * Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature 29 Oct 1646
152d Jacob Kip Witness Contract of Sale 24 Nov 1646
153b Jacob H. Kip Witness Deed Transfer 2 Dec 1646
154c Jacob H. Kip Witness Bill of Sale 11 Dec 1646
154d Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Sublease 14 Dec 1646
154f Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Bond 14 Dec 1646
154j * Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Lease 26 Jan 1647
157h Jacob Hendricksen Kip Witness Power of Attorney 19 Jun 1647
158d Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Promissary Note 26 Jun 1647
158g Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Power of Attorney 2 Jul 1647
158k Jacob Kip Witness Bond 6 Jul 1647
158l * Jacob Kip Witness Signature 6 Jul 1647
158m * Jacob H. Kip Witness Deed Transfer 6 Jul 1647
158o * Jacob Kip Witness Deed Transfer 11 Jul 1647
159b a Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature 17 Jul 1647
159e * Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature 20 Jul 1647
159g * Jacob H Kip Witness Transfer 22 Jul 1647
160a * Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Signature 22 Jun 1647
160b Jacob H. Kip Witness Bond 23 Jul 1647
160g * Jacob Kip Witness Signature 25 Jul 1647
160h * Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature 26 Jul 1647
160j * Jacob Kip Witness Signature 26 Jul 1647
161a Jacob Kip Witness Signature 2 Aug 1647
161b * Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature 2 Aug 1647
161c * Jacob Hendricksen Kip Witness as Clerk 2 Aug 1647
161d * Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature Mark 2 Aug 1647
161e * Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Signature Mark 2 Aug 1647
161f * Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature 2 Aug 1647
162a Jacob Kip Witness Signature 2 Aug 1647
162b Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Signature Mark 2 Aug 1647
162c Jacob Kip Witness Signature 2 Aug 1647
162d * Jacob Kip Witness Signature 2 Aug 1647
162e * Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature Mark 2 Aug 1647
162f a Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature 2 Aug 1647
162g Jacob Kip Witness Signature Mark 3 Aug 1647
162h Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature 3 Aug 1647
162i * Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature 3 Aug 1647
162m * Jacob Hendr. Kip Witness Signature Mark 8 Aug 1647
162n Jacob Kip Witness Signature 8 Jul 1647
163a * Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature 9 Aug 1647
163c * Jacob Hendricksz Witness Signature 10 Aug 1647
163d * Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Signature 10 Aug 1647
163e Jacob Kip Witness Signature Mark undated
163f * Jacob Hendricksz Kip Signed Power of Attorney undated
164d * Jacob H. Kip Witness Bond of Surety 14 Aug 1647
164g * Jacob H. Kip Witness Signature 14 Aug 1647
165a * Jacob Hendricksz Kip Witness Signature 14 Aug 1647
166b * Jacob Kip Witness Signature 16 Aug 1647
Interesting that Jacob is signing as a witness but not Isaac Hendricksen Kip who was 20 years of age.
The document 163f identifies Jacob Hendricksen Kip as at present assistant in the service on the honorable West India Company here (New Amsterdam) and assigns his uncle Harman Hendricksz Drooch (living in Amsterdam, The Netherlands) as his power of attorney to collect his wages in total three hundred and seventy guilders, seventeen stivers, eight pennies from the Directors of the General Chartered West India Company.
It is also known from Dutch records that Tryntjen Hendricks (their last child known to be born in The Netherlands) was baptized 8 Jun 1636 in the Oude Kerk, Amsterdam – Noord-Holland, The Netherlands (DTB 007p091). The sponsors were Femmetje Lubbers (perhaps a sister to the mother) and Sara Wiltens. Thus showing their presence still in Holland in 1636. Their time of departing from Europe is unknown. Their arrival date in New Amsterdam is also unknown.
A further proof of the presence of Hendrick Hendricksz in New Amsterdam on 19 April 1643 was the baptism of his daughter Femmetje at the New Amsterdam Reformed Dutch Church. The lone witness was Jsac Hendrickszen – possibly his son, who would have been 16. (Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol. II, Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York, 1901. Reprinted 1968, Gregg Press, NJ. P. 15. 1643, 19 Apr Mr. Hendrick Hendricksz parent, Femmetje child, witnesses Jsac Hendrickszen, Minister Evardus Bogardus. One notes that he is not yet using the surname of Kip. My husband saw the surname Kip as a dit surname (used in French Canadian genealogy and refers to a nickname or alias which is normally added to a surname – with the translation of dit being “as said” or “called”). Edward’s comment on this was:
“Many books (from 1848 to 1928) give him an ancestry with the surname De Kype. None of
these books provide a source for this information and the current maintainer of the Kip/Kipp Family in America database has found no evidence to indicate it is true. It would appear his Dutch surname was Hendricksen or Henrixsz or Henrixsen and that sometime between when he arrived in New Amsterdam between 1636 and March 1643 he assumed the surname Kip. This could be described as a "dit" name, since there were several others in New Amsterdam and New England with the surname Hendricksen and also another tailor Hendrick Jansen Snyder, sometimes referred to as Hendrick the tailor.
This conclusion is supported by a recently found reference in a 1909 book “History of the City of New York in the Seventeenth Century,” by Mrs. Schuyler Van Rensselaer. In Chapter VII she talks about variations in names used in New Amsterdam and she comments “For instance, the first bearer of a name now honorably known in many parts of America was a tailor whose signature for years was Hendrick Hendricksen but afterwards Hendrick Hendricksen Kip – kip meaning a hen or the band that ties a bundle of dried fish.”
Knickerbocker’s History of New York also has an interesting story about Hendrick.
He may have been given the surname Kype, Kyp or Kip by his friends. Kip means "chicken" in German, but Hendrick was anything but that as he stood up to authority.
The motto on the Kip crest that appears in many books "Vestigia nulla retrorsum" means
Footsteps not backward or Never go back.
However, the family has used the surname Kip or Kipp since about 1643 so I do not think we are about to change.”
The New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch Volume II that have been referred to in this issue begins with 1642 and runs to 1647. That there isn't any mention of the family prior to 16 Apr 1643 in this text which does commence 7 Jan 1642. Volume I commences in 1638 and searching on Hendrick Hendricksen revealed one individual who has come to New Amsterdam from Doesburch (sp Doesburg ?). Looking at a current map Doesburg is quite far from Amsterdam and from Niewenhuys (the home village of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip). There was another individual in New Amsterdam with the name Hendrick Hendricksen who was also a tailor so perhaps as Edward mentions this earlier resident went by the name Hendrick Hendricksen Snyder (Tailor in Dutch) and Hendrick took on the surname Kip for reasons known only to time.
On April 28, 1643, Hendrick Hendricksz Kip was granted a lot in New Amsterdam located east of the fort -- New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch; Volumes GG, HH, & II, Land Papers, Translated and Edited by Charles Gehring (1980); p. 17 [original document #GG 57].
GG 57 PATENT TO HENDRICK HENDRICKSZ KIP
We, Willem Kieft, etc... have conceded and granted to
Hendrick Hendricksz Kip a lot located east of the fort in
length 7 rods, one foot, 4 inches and 9 grains, and 2
inches on Willem Heyl's side; a point of land one rod, one
foot, one grain, further 3 rods; behind in breadth 6 rods,
5 feet, 4 inches, 9 grains; containing altogether in an
uneven square 44 rods, 4 feet, 6 inches, 9 grains; with the
express condition and stipulation etc...
Done in Fort Amsterdam 28 April 1643, New Netherland.
There are a number of pages in this transcription that mention Hendrick Hendricksz Kip including 28, 45, 53, 56, and 82. The contained information on the neighbours of Hendrick Kip. I am not able to discover at this time if Edward delved into this information to see if he could conclusively place Hendrick Kip on a particular site. I do know that on one of our visits to Manhattan Island we walked in the area that he thought Hendrick lived in and will have to check his blog to see if he mentions that event. Indeed he does:
https://americancanadianancestors.blogspot.com/search?q=Manhattan+Island
On April 28, 1643 Hendrick obtained a patent for a lot east of the fort on Bridge Street near Whitehall where he erected a house and shop. The map below is from Wikipedia. We walked all over this area many many times. Wall Street today was actually a wall across the Manhattan Island controlling access to New Amsterdam. The south part of the Island has been expanded out into the harbour so that this area below would have been much closer to the water in the 1600s than it now appears. I still remember Edward standing at the door which he felt was likely the front of the property that Hendrick Kip lived on. We returned to that area a number of times over a two year period.
You can see looking at the Subway map below that this enlarged map is just a tiny portion at the bottom of Manhattan Island as you can see Wall Street marked on the Subway map and all of the above is below Wall Street. Going to New York City is certainly a never to be missed treat. Visiting all the areas mentioned in these early books on the original Dutch Settlement there is very readily done. Absolutely everything is in walking distance. I believed we walked on most of these streets over time. We were there in 2005 for a Conference and then again from 2007-2009 (about ten times in total).
I am so very thankful that we were able to do all of this work just after Edward retired. I was actually still working until the end of 2007 but took time off and the weekends and we traveled so very much in those days. The time from the latter 1990s to 2020 when COVID struck were busy busy ones which saw us on the road all over the North Eastern United States, the Maritimes of Canada and the Provinces of Quebec and Ontario. We also went to Conferences in the West as well. Trips to Salt Lake City and the Allen County Library were also very meaningful.
Certainly finding one’s Kip ancestors involves a great deal of sleuthing. A lot of records appear to have been lost and one must always bear in mind that the records that were created were for that time frame and do not always include all of the information that we need to look back at them.
But returning to Hendrick Hendricksen Kip’s story, placing him on Manhattan Island was a big step forward. But I have not yet found any notes on how he proved that but suspect he used the reference pages which I mentioned and looked at the various early maps of Manhattan Island. If I discover more plus find that picture I will post it all later.
Again from Edward’s blog:
“In 1647 he was chosen as one of the first Board of "Nine Men" to act as Governing Tribunal for New Amsterdam. Apparently he was satirically called "Hendrick Kip of the haughty lip" because he was strong and fearless. He also held office again in 1649 and 1650. He was appointed a Grand Schepen on Feb. 2, 1656, and on April 11, 1657 he was admitted to the Rights of a Great Burgher. Thus he took an important part in the government of New Amsterdam. After New Amsterdam was surrendered, he took the Oath of Allegiance to the English in October 1664.”
An interesting history from the Contributions to the History of the Ancient Families of New York. Republished by The New York Genealogical and Biographic Records, Volumes 7-8.
This was written by Edwin R. Purple.
“The transatlantic pedigree of this family has appeared in various American publications within the last thirty years, and while generally agreeing in the account given of Ruloff De Kype, the first known ancestor of the family in Europe, the statements in reference to the immigrant ancestor to America, Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip, have not always been in accord with each other. It is impossible that the latter was the son of Ruloff De Kype, anglicized to Kip, for had he been, his name would have appeared in our early records as Hendrick Ruloffszen Kip, instead of as we now find it, Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip. From this fact and for the reason that no authority for the European pedigree has been given in the publications referred to, it must with all such of like character, be regarded with suspicion. It has been the intention in these contributions, to confine our researches chiefly to the immigrant ancestors of old New York families and their immediate descendants, drawing the materials therefor, when not otherwise indicated, from the Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New York, and from New York wills and conveyances.”
Following the surrender of New Amsterdam to the British and the renaming of the city to New York, I do not find material relating to Hendrick Hendrickszen Kip. When Ed and I visited the Library in New York we were able to see the original will for Hendrick. Wearing white gloves, we carefully looked at the manuscript (part of the Kip Family Papers MssCol 1651, New York Public Library, Manuscript Collections.
There is a publication de Halve Maen, Volume XXXVII, No. 3, October 1962, page 9, 10, 12 and an article on the will of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip appears there. Title of the article (source mentioned above) How Hendrick Hendricksen Kip Bequeathed His Estate.
Looking at the records in Amsterdam is a next step for any researcher. It is not something that I will do but Edward did find people more than willing to meet with him and go to the archives so that he could see the material and they would also translate the documents for him.
The next issue will look at one of the sons of Hendrick Hendricksen Kype.
5. Letters to the Editor
This section will be available to anyone wanting to write to the Editor.
I did receive one email after the publication of the first newsletter hoping that I would continue. If there are any comments which you would like to make this is a good spot to do that.
6. yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families
Project Statistics
Big Y 3
Distinct Y-DNA Confirmed haplogroups 6
Family Finder 21
Paternal Ancestor Information 24
Total Members 40
Unreturned kits 4
Y-DNA Deep Clade (after 2008) 3
Y-DNA Deep Clade (prior to 2008) 1
Y-DNA12 17
Y-DNA25 15
Y-DNA37 15
Y-DNA67 12
Y-DNA111 6
It is quite a while since I looked at the website display for the Kip—Kipp yDNA study. At some point in the next year I am thinking of doing a y-700 test on Edward’s kit. It was not something that interested him a great deal but if there is sufficient material I think it would be a good addition to the study.
There are six members who fit precisely into the New Amsterdam Kip family. Some of these individuals are able to trace back to Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. My husband was unable to find the father for his Isaac Kipp born 1764 in New York State. There are a number of possibilities but over time he was unable to find any of these lines that could be traced down to match up with the birth of his Isaac Kipp. Isaac is on the census in 1790 at Northeast Town with his wife Hannah (Mead) Kipp. They are living next to or with Jonathan Mead. In 1800 they are on the census at Rensselaerville and with them are several of their sons (one son remained at Northeast Town with his grandfather Jonathan Mead). Isaac came to Ontario in the fall of 1800 and applied for land as a settler. More about Isaac another time.
In the last issue I mentioned the testing that my husband has done at other companies and that his yDNA is located in the Netherlands area where Hendrick Hendricksen Kip lived before coming to New Amsterdam in the 1640s.
I may wait until I have results for Edward’s testing before commenting further on the yDNA study in general. The Kip family of New Amsterdam was not the only Kipp family in the 1700s in the United States and more discussion on these early families will also be forthcoming as Edward did spend time looking at these lines and where they came from.
7. Next Issue
The next issue is planned for the 1st of August 2022. Anyone wishing to submit an article/letter to the editor please send to Elizabeth Kipp (kippeeb@rogers.com).
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