Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023

 I did complete the next issue of the Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023 and will publish it on the 1st of August. It did end up writing itself which was handy as I have reached an end to useful information that I can write into the newsletter from my memory. I could go back through and read everything but it was taking me too long and I do not have Edward's thoughts with regard to each and every individual item. The mantle must be taken up by another eventually but for the moment it will likely become reduced in size and simply contain any information on the DNA study. 

Y-700 results in

I did post the Kip-Kipp Newsletter on the 1st of May, Volume 2, Issue 2, 2023 on the DNA website for the Kip-Kipp yDNA study at FT DNA.

The results for Y-700 are  in and his haplogroup has been updated to R-FT245480. His matches show ancient Norwegian and more modern Netherlands ancestry with his emigrant ancestor to New Amsterdam/New York being from The Netherlands and arriving circa late 1630s - early 1640s. More information on this in the next Newsletter due 1st of August 2023. Since this is the first Y-700 test on the Kip-Kipp line it will be interesting as predictions have been made that this line was Viking. 

 

Hendrick Hendricksen Kip

 Today will be a day to work on the Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter. I would like to finish the section of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip although it is likely another day or two on that. Edward had acquired a lot of information on this ancient ancestor from Amsterdam, The Netherlands. An earlier book had given this man a glamorous storyline back in his ancestry but Edward was not able to find any of that information including in a book of Heraldry on French lines. The yDNA points to this particular line as having been within 100 km of Amsterdam back thousands of years and includes the skeletal remains of individuals found in an ice cave in Liechtenstein and about 3000 years old. I still remember being on the R1b list when a comment came out who is N18407 on the FT DNA site. I mulled that around for a couple of seconds and realized it was Edward's kit number and he matched this ancient skeleton found in the ice cave. He was thrilled at that information and worked away on that new knowledge. Finding his Kipp line was important to him and the DNA testing gave him  his answer although he still wanted to discover Isaac's father and perhaps our daughter will find that information in the years to come. She has become more and more interested this past six months in what he was doing. I would not have said that either of our daughters would be interested in genealogy, and like me, they are not from the standpoint of making a family tree. But this deep ancestry knowledge found in Edward's DNA is quite fascinating.

Continuing thought on the Kipp Newsletter

 The Kipp Newsletter is mulling around in my brain as I think about sections that I could add on the yDNA. There are two distinct migrations into the now United States with the Kip family arriving in the 1630s from Amsterdam and coming to what was then New Amsterdam and now New York and the second group coming from Germany and their surname was mostly spelled Kipp. Over time the surname Kipp dominated for all including Edward's line. However, there is a distinct difference between the DNA of the two lines. 

I feel that I should add a yDNA section to the Newsletter and will do that. More people testing their yDNA would be handy just to see if we can pinpoint the correct family for Isaac Kipp. He is likely coming down in the Isaac Hendricksen Kip line (the second son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and Tryntie Lubberts) but finding that elusive link proven to be an impossibility although Edward certainly made a good try at that. The published book has many incomplete lines dating back into the 1720 to 1740s which could easily be the father of Isaac Kipp. Many records were destroyed in the Dutchess County area during the Revolution unfortunately. Going back to the Town Halls was interesting but not conclusive. 

I can go back to thinking about this full time as I have now completed my Blake Newsletter for publication on the 1st of January.

Email request on My Heritage re Mary L Kip

I received an email request on My Heritage for a Kip member:

 Hello,
My name is Lauren and I have been researching my family tree and I noticed you have a Kip family tree. I wondering if you knew anything about Mary L Kip ( I believe her full name was Mary Louise Kip) who I believe was born somewhere between 1855 and 1859. She is my great great grandmother. I noticed you have a Mary L Kip on your tree and I am wondering if they are one in the same,
I’m curious to see if you know anything about her as to if my story matched what you may know about her, and I can certainly fill in the info that I know about her once she got married.

Thank you so much and I hope to hear from you.
Have a nice night

Lauren 

My reply:

 My husband's family is Kipp. Mary Louise Kipp, daughter of Reuben Kipp and Eliza Jane Nelmes was born 3 Oct 1864 in East Oxford Twp, Oxford County, Ontario, Canada. She married John Thomas Wilkinson 9 Jul 1890 at New Westminster, BC, Canada.

Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp 

Reply of writer:

 Hi! Thank you for getting back to me. I was thinking she could be the Mary L Kip you have on your tree that was the daughter of John A Kip. and Emma Kip (it popped up when I was researching) I would think they would have lived in either NY or NJ
The Mary L Kip in my family married Chas. Haarstick and they had one child my dads grandmother Sarah haarstick. She died during childbirth when my great grandmother was very young.
 It’s so hard to find anything when I don’t know her parents names.

Thanks again for getting back to me.
Do you know anything about the John and Emma Kips daughter named Mary L?

 I meant John and Ann kipp, sorry. Emma was one of their daughters. 

My reply:

John A Kipp born 9 Feb 1811 at Hackensack  married Ann E Gaskine 4 Mar 1850 in New York. They had two daughters (Emma 1855) and Mary L (1859). This was a second marriage for John A Kipp. There is no information for Mary L Kip beyond  her birth date of 7 Oct 1859.

Sources:
Find A Grave  www.findagrave.com. Spring Valley Cemetery, Paramus, Bergen County, New Jersey. Memorial # 7254434.

Richard Mclean Anderson, Philadelphia, PA  randers@comcast.net

New York City Methodist Marriages 1785-1893. Vol. 1 Index of Brides. Vol. 2 Index of Grooms. Compiled by William Scott Fisher. Picton Press, Camden, Maine. 1994.  (18/165)

I do not do any Kip research and my husband is deceased. Good luck with your research.
Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp 

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I could have added: It is possible that the one reference to Richard Mclean Anderson might lead to more information on your line.

Kipp DNA project

Edward managed his Kipp DNA project and it was very rewarding for him in that it proved his line back to the emigrant Kip line of New York that arrived in the 1630s in what was then New Amsterdam in New Holland from Amsterdam, Holland (The Netherlands). I really did not have a lot to do with his project and now I need to figure out what to do with that project. Last December perhaps it was he mentioned that he had had an email from a Kipp who lived in Paris, Ontario interested in the DNA so perhaps I shall contact him to see whether he would like to take over the project.  I did do the organizing of the data into groups and have helped him with the Family Finder results which is rather lucky probably. But passing it on to another Kipp enthusiast is perhaps the best way to handle that project. Our daughters will not pass on the yDNA so it ends with him in terms of his father's line. His cousins have sons so they will continue the line and have done so although I do not actually know any of them that well. We moved to Ottawa 46 years ago and our trips back although frequent were strictly to close family most of the time and that was mostly grandparents although we did see our siblings most of the time as well. 

However, I will mention it on this blog in case there is someone who is really keen to get involved as having more than one person on a project is a really good idea. 

The exciting part of the yDNA project for Edward was proving his line back to the New York Kip family and then he managed to take it back to The Netherlands and the area where this family lived before living in Amsterdam. There are other Kipp families in North America and they descend from the German Kipp line that emigrated to the United States in the 1740s. 

Living DNA Results

Living DNA Results

My Living DNA results have come in and have proven to be quite interesting.  Looking at my known ancestry, 80% of my ancestors were in the American Colonies prior to 1700.  The first arrivals were: Hendrick Hendricksen [Kip] (Note 1) between 1637 and 1642 from the Netherlands into the New Netherland colony; Winthrop family 1630 into the New England colonies from the Netherlands where they had lived for a number of years due to their being Non-Conformists from England; Roger Williams (freedom of worship and a founder of Rhode Island) 1631 from England to The Massachusetts Bay Colony.  This group of Non-Conformists were primarily from the areas around London and London itself as well as up into Yorkshire.  Also included in this early group was my paternal line from Amsterdam and earlier to that from the area to the north and east closer to the border of Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen).  


Another group of my early American ancestors came from Ile de Re, France (Huguenots) about 1686 (Perlier or Parlee) to settle first at Narragansett and then on to Staten Island.  From the Palatinate another 10% of my ancestors came to the American colonies and New York State between 1710 and 1750.  


Then in the early 1830s my 2x great grandmother (Abbs), her parents and siblings came to Ontario from Norfolk, England.  


My latest arrivals were my great grandmother (Niemann) from Mecklenburg in 1846 and my great grandfather (Schultz) from Mecklenburg in 1866.  One would expect these results to be quite diverse and they were.  The percentages of my ancestry, as revealed by the testing at Living DNA from particular areas, sent me on a path to examine all those 8x, 9x, and 10x great grandparents.  We are a product of all of those ancestors and the amount we inherit from each of them can be as low as 0% beyond our parents.

From our parents we always inherit 50% from each looking at our autosomal DNA; from each of our grandparents we will inherit approximately 25% but that can be quite variable with our inheriting between 0% and 50% from each one.

Note 1: Hendrick Hendricksen [Kip] came from Amsterdam, Netherlands to New Amsterdam, between 1637 and 1642.  His surname of Hendricksen was a patronymic. Research suggests that he acquired the surname Kip or Kype or Kyp after arriving in New Amsterdam.

Map of autosomal Inheritance (Living DNA):

Overall I am said to be 98.2% European and 1.8% Near East.

The above map illustrates the sub region map Great Britain and Ireland, 19% Europe (North and West), 8.3% Europe (South), 5.4% Europe (East) and 1.8% Near East (North Turkey).

Going down one more level yielded a quite in-depth look at these results.

Great Britain and Ireland
Southeast England 32.1%, North Yorkshire 14.2%, East Anglia 14%, Cornwall 3.7%, Central England 1.6%

Europe (North and West)
Germanic 13.3%, Scandinavia 4.2%, France 1.4%

Europe (South)
Aegean 4.4%, Tuscany 3.9%

Europe (East)
Northeast Europe 3.6%, Finland and Western Russia 1.8%

Near East
North Turkey 1.8%

I have never really thought of myself as English (ancestry from those counties called England within Great Britain) but looking back at my 8x, 9x, 10x great grandparents and their origins I discovered that more than half of my ancestors were from England (and they were mostly non-conformist!).

Since my 2x great grandmother came directly from Norfolk the 14% certainly includes her.  It is large for a 2x great grandparent (generally thought to be 6.25% (varies between 0% and 12.5%)) and I do have some American colonial ancestors known to be from England but their place of origin is unknown.

The North Yorkshire is large at 14.2% but I do have non-conformist ancestry from this area.

Southeast England covers the areas where many of my non-conformist ancestors lived prior to going to Holland where they lived for a generation or more.

Cornwall I have no idea at this point in time but will investigate that with some of my unknown lines. Central England fits in with my known non-conformist ancestry.

I did think my Germanic ancestry was somewhat low (17.5%; Germanic 13.3% and Scandinavia 4.2%) given my paternal great grandparents coming directly to Canada from Germany would be around 25%.  Also my mother’s paternal line is Palatine German but in two hundred and fifty years intermarriage with many English families has indeed minimized that German influence.  The Eastern European likely belongs to my German great grandparents as well.

My French ancestry (1.4%) is mostly from Ile de Re (6x great grandparents) predicted inheritance from a 6x great grandparent is 0.39% (or 0.78% as both of these 6x great grandparents were French Huguenots) and the Perlier-Parlee family immediately intermarried into English families after their arrival in the late 1600s.

The Southern European ancestry is unknown to me but it is very small and could just be an echo from a much earlier time in my ancestral history and that likely includes the Near East Ancestry.

Living DNA also examined 389 SNPs on the Y chromosome.  I had only tested myself to R-L48 at FT DNA.  R-L48 is known as the Null 425 group known to be localized to an area within 100 kilometres of Amsterdam.  This further delineation of my haplogroup took me to R-Z326 with this particular haplogroup subclade named as the Germanic branch of the R1b father-line.  Interestingly my Hendricksen [Kip] family is found in the area of Eastern Netherlands close to the West German border (Lower Saxony).

Mitochondrial DNA results are also given with this particular test and the map of this particular subclade T2b3b was rather interesting.  Although I can trace my maternal line back to Margaret Carr born circa 1654 at Newport, Rhode Island daughter of Robert Carr - the name of his wife is a mystery although some have given her the name of Hannah Hale.

Annals of Old Manhattan 1609-1664

Annals of Old Manhattan 1609-1664. Julia M. Colton. New York. 1901.

On p. 157, in the footnote, Hendrick Hendricksen Kipp is mentioned as one of the Council of Nine Men,  appointed by the Honorable Peter Stuyvesant from a group of the "most notable, reasonable, honest and respectable men" chosen by the residents of Manhattan, Breuckelen, Midwout (Flatbush), Amersfoort (Flatlands), and Pavonia.

Happy New Year and may 2018 be a great year

Some fireworks from early in December on Parliament Hill, Ottawa, Canada. Light Across Canada.

It is to cold to actually go down to Parliament Hill tonight at midnight to see the real fireworks.

As one of my cousins pointed out recently, no matter what happens keep moving forward.
As a matter of fact that is really what the Kip Family motto means. I translates as Never Go Back.

200 Ancestor Hints (Shaky Leaves at Ancestry)

Have a look at my Wife's post on her blog  English Research from Canada.

200 Ancestor Hints (Shaky Leaves at Ancestry)
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2017/12/200-ancestor-hints-shaky-leaves-at.html

Dutch Records at the New York State Archives relating to Hendrick Hendricksen [Kip]

Dutch Records at the New York State Archives.

The New York Researcher, V. 27, N. 3. Pgs. 56-60. Fall 2016.

Article by James D. Folts. And Monica Gray

New Netherland Institute website:

www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/research/online-publications

Vol. 1 Register of the Provincial Secretary 1638-1642

[134] Continuation of the list of goods delivered by sundry persons to skipper Cornelis Pietersen. By Wynant Pietersen, storekeeper, delivered to divers person in cash and goods. June 27, 1639.

There is a Hendrick Hendricksz from Doesburch  [Doesburg] fl. 16:10: -. Mentioned in this list.

Is this person our Hendrick?

Vol. 4 Council Minutes 1638-1649.

First mention of Hendrick Kip in the Dutch Records of New Amsterdam

[160] On the 19th of February, being Thursday anno 1643

Hans Nelissen, plaintiff, vs. Evert Jansen, defendant. Plaintiff demands restitution of certain cloth which the plaintiff gave to the defendant to make a suit of and which in the absence of the defendant was stolen from his house. Hendrick Kip and Gillis de Voocht are invited by the honorable director general and council to settle the matter between Hans Nelissen and Evert Jansen.

[173] On Thursday, the 9^th of July 1643.

Abraham Jaoobsz from Steenwyck, plaintiff, vs. Anna Gerrits, defendant. Demands payment of what remains due to his wife from her father's estate, as entered on the books of the orphan chamber.

Andries Hudde and Hendrick Kip are requested to hear the demand and answer of the parties and If possible to get them to agree; If not, to give their opinion in writing.

[200] On September 1, 1644

Willem de Key, plaintiff, vs. Hendrick Kip's wife, for slander. 1st default.

[201] September 8, 1644

Willem de Key, plaintiff, vs. the wife of Philip Gerritsz and Hendric Kip. Ordered that plaintiff shall produce his witnesses on the next court day.

[202] September 15, 1644

Willem de Key, plaintiff, vs. Hendrick Kip's wife, defendant. Ordered that the defendant be furnished with copies of the complaint and the affidavits.

[203] September 29, 1644

Willem de Key, plaintiff, vs. Hendrick Kip, defendant. Plaintiff's demand and the affidavits having been examined, it is order that next Thursday Hendrick Kip's wife shall acknowledge in court that what she said to the prejudice of the plaintiff is untrue, and she is forbidden to commit such an offense again, on pain of severer punishment.

[232] August 30, 1645

Whereas there is a fair promise of obtaining a firm and durable peace with the Indians, it is resolved and concluded in council in Fort Amsterdam to order Philip de Truy, the court messenger, to notify the burghers all around to come to the fort when the flag shall be hoisted and the bell rung and there to hear the terms which shall be agreed upon and, if any one should have any good advice to offer, freely to express his opinion.

Philip de Truy, court messenger, having been ordered to notify the burghers pursuant to the foregoing resolution, appears and reports that he served on all the burghers round about on the Manhatans, from the highest to the lowest, no one excepted, the order which he received from the director and council to appear in the fort and to hear the terms of peace and to be pleased to offer to the aforesaid director and council their good advice in the matter. He, the court messenger, says that all the burghers gave them their kind attention and a favorable answer, except one Hendrick Kip, tailor.

[253] May 3, 1646

Everardus Bogardus appeared in court and produced interrogatories on which Jacob Wolphersen and Hendrick Kip are to be examined. They request time. Ordered here that they shall answer yes or no next Tuesday, at ten o'clock.

[278]

The fiscal, plaintiff, vs. the wife of Hendrick Kip, defendant, alleging that said Kip's wife said that the honorable director and council were false Judges and that the honorable fiscal was a false fiscal.

Hendrick Kip appearing with his wife makes answer that his wife received such a shock at the time that Maryn Andriaensen attempted to murder the honorable director in his room that she has never been well since and that, when she experiences the least excitement, the woman does not know what she is doing. The wife of Hendrick Kip declares that she never said that the honorable director and council were false Judges, or that the fiscal was a false fiscal.

The plaintiff’s complaint and the answer of the defendant and her husband being heard, the defendant is ordered to prove that she has not said anything to the detriment of the honorable director and council or the fiscal. The fiscal is ordered to prove his charges on the next court day, or to compound with his opponent.

[334] Ordinance establishing a board of Nine Men

September 20, 1647

Petrus Stuyvesant, on behalf of the High and Mighty Lords the States General, his Serene Highness the Prince of Orange, and the honorable directors of the General Chartered West India Company of the United Netherlands, director general of New Netherland and the Curacao islands, captain and commander in chief of the said Company’s ships and yachts in these northern part of America; together with the honorable council;

To all those who shall see or hear these presents read, Greeting!

Whereas in accordance with our commission and general instructions we have no other aim, wish or desire but that this province of New Netherland entrusted to us and especially this our capital and residence of New Amsterdam may grow and increase in good order, justice, government, population, prosperity and mutual peace and improvement, and be provided with and aided In the upkeep of a strong and substantial fort, a school, church, sheet piling, pier and similar highly necessary public works and common buildings, whereto we according to the instructions given to us are ordered to solicit the cooperation of the commonalty, as this tends mostly to their own welfare and protection and is customary in all well administered government, colonies and places; yet, we are disinclined by virtue of our granted commission and instructions to burden and oppress the good and peaceable commonalty, our dear vassals and subjects by means of exactions, imposts and intolerable taxes, but wish in the most reasonable manner to request their consent thereto and to induce them to lend a helping hand in undertaking such honorable and most necessary works. And whereas it is difficult to bring so many heads under one capuche, or to reduce so many votes to one voice, we have, with the advice of our council, heretofore proposed and submitted to the commonalty that they, without passion, hatred or envy, select a double number of nine persons from the most notable, most reasonable, most honorable and most prominent of our subjects, in order that from them a single number of nine persons may be chosen and appointed as Selectmen to confer with us and our council about such consent and assistance and to the best of their knowledge and information to help forward and promote the welfare of the commonalty as well as of the commonwealth. For which purpose then, a double number having on the day aforesaid been selected by the good commonalty, our dear subjects, the following are chosen therefrom by us and our council, to wit:

From the merchants — Augustyn Heerman, Amoldus van Hardenberch and Govert Loockemans;

From the burghers — Jan Jansz Damen, Jacob Wolphertsz and Hendrick Kip;

From the farmers — Machiel Jansz, Jan Evertsen Bout and Tomas Hall.

Volume GG-HH-II Land Papers

GG 57 Patent to Hendrick Hendricksz Kip

We, Willem Kieft, etc... have conceded and granted to Hendrick Hendricksz Kip a lot located east of the fort in length 7 rods, one foot, 4 inches and 9 grains, and 2 inches on Willem Heyl's side; a point of land one rod, one foot, one grain, further 3 rods; behind in breadth 6 rods,

5 feet, 4 inches, 9 grains; containing altogether in an uneven square 44 rods, 4 feet, 6 inches, 9 grains; with the express condition and stipulation etc...

Done in Fort Amsterdam 28 April 1643, New Netherland.

Volume 2 Register of Provincial Secretary 1642-1647

[51c]

2^nd mention of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip [Kyp]

Settlement by Geertruyt Jacobs, widow of Gerrit van Vorst, on her children of their portion of their father's estate

In the year of our Lord [and Savior Jesus Christ, one] thousand six hundred and forty-three, [on the 16th] day of April, before me, [Cornelis van] Tienhoven, secretary in New Netherland, residing in Fort Amsterdam, appeared Geertruy[t] Jacobs from Emmenes, widow of the late Gerrit van Vorst, with Oloff Stevensen, commissary of the store, and Hendric Kip, tailor, both residents here, her chosen guardians in this case, who declared that she intended to enter into the holy state of matrimony with Rouloff Jansen from Norway, for which reason she promised, as she does hereby, to pay to both her minor children, Jan Gerritsen and Jacob Gerritsen van Vorst, for their patrimonial estate, when they shall have attained their majority, to each the sum of seventy-five guilders; and if it should happen that one of the two children died before reaching his majority, it is expressly stipulated that she, Geertruyt, and he, Rouloff Jansen, shall pay to the survivor as his paternal inheritance a double portion, being one hundred and fifty Carolus guilders, provided that she, Geertruyt Jacobs, the present bride, and Rouloff Jansen, the present bridegroom, shall have the use of the aforesaid money without interest until the above named children are of full age. They, the bride and bridegroom, also promise to bring up the children, keeping their capital safe and not touching more than the interest; furthermore, that they will rear the children decently, send them to school and have them taught reading, writing and a good trade, as decent and God-fearing and honest parent are bound to do, but all according to their means and no more, doing what [51c (2)] they may expect to justify before God and honest men. They Geertruyt Jacobs and Rouloff Jansen, promise to perform and fulfil this in whole or in part, without any exception which may in any wise contravene this, all without fraud, for which they bind their persons and properties, present and future, without any exception, subjecting and submitting the same to the Provincial Court of Holland and to all other courts, tribunals and judges. In witness whereof this is signed by Geertruyt Jacobs, Rouloff Jansen, and her chosen guardians, and by me, the secretary, in the record. Done in Fort Amsterdam in New Netherland the day and year above written.

Gerttruit Jacop from Emmenis

Rolof Jansen Haes

Hendrick Hendricksen Kyp

Oloff Stevensen

Acknowledged before me,

Cornelis van Tienh., Secretary

Hendrick Hendricksen [Kip]

A reminder. The following blog posts deal with Hendrick Hendricksen [Kip]

Have a look at two of my blog posts and two of my web site posts on Hendrick Hendricksen [Kip]

http://americancanadianancestors.blogspot.ca/2014/01/the-de-kype-family-story-what-should-we.html

http://americancanadianancestors.blogspot.ca/2013/12/knickerbockers-history-of-new-york-and.html

http://kipp-blake-families.ca/AncestryofHendrickHendricksenKiptheFounder.pdf

http://kipp-blake-families.ca/HendrickKipWill1671.pdf

I have also added a new file to my web page    http://kipp-blake-families.ca/kipfam.htm


Baptism of Children of Hendrick and Tryntje in Amsterdam

A Netherlands researchers indicated that this family was not using surnames in 1624. He has also provided information on the baptism of six children in Amsterdam by 1636.
(Cor Snabel – 17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/742574/Index).
Go to this web site and look for Hendrick Hendricksz Kip in the Navigator panel.

50th wedding anniversary tour of the British Isles

If you would like to read about our 50th wedding anniversary tour of the British Isles go to this link.
Written by Elizabeth.

http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2016/09/50th-wedding-anniversary-tour-of_6.html

Old data about the Kip/Kipp Family of New Amsterdam

I have noticed that a number of researchers are using the following web site

The Kip/Kipp Family In North America - OoCities

www.oocities.org/ekipp@rogers.com/kipfam.htm

This is an archived web site and is out of date.


My current web site about this family is:

 http://kipp-blake-families.ca/kipfam.htm

If you go to World Connect you will have access to my current file on the family including sources if available. 

In World Connect, search the "jump to a specific database" field for edwkipp8. 

Ancestry.com DNA testing

Hi:
It has been a while since I posted. The new volunteer duties I have taken on with the Ontario Genealogical Society - Ottawa Branch, took up more time than anticipated.

However, time moves on!

I recently completed the Ancestry.com DNA test. Because of the large number of people who have tested with Ancestry, my test results brought up 95 shared or very close ancestor hints. There are also 200 4th cousins or closer hints. They all are connections or matches with families I have in my family files. Of course to see these family connections you need to put up at least a skeleton family tree on ancestry.

I would recommend that anyone who has North American ancestry purchase and complete the ancestry DNA test. You will more than likely find new cousins this way and perhaps at the same time help consolidate your family lines and research.

What convinced me was watching a recent Legacy webinar on the topic.

In particular if more of our Kipp/Kip cousins (who have paper trails) would complete the Ancestry.com DNA test, they would help build up a database which would help other Kipp/Kip cousins who do not know there ancestry quite so well.

Happy Ancestry DNA testing
Edward

Isaac Kipp one of my 2x Great Grandfather

Isaac Kipp one of my 2x Great Grandfather

Edward Kipp

Isaac Kipp (Nov. 1, 1764 - Aug. 6, 1846) my 2 x Great grandfather

m. Hannah Meed August 29, 1790, probably Nine Partners Patent, North East, Dutchess County, New York.

The family story is that Isaac Kipp (Nov. 1, 1764 - Aug. 6, 1846 - family bible) (the elder), my gg grandfather, came from Dutchess County, New York.  He settled in Upper Canada in October 1800.  He may have come to Upper Canada because of the offer of land made by Governor Simcoe in the early 1790's, as did many prominent people such as Thomas Hornor, who founded Blenheim Township, Oxford County, Ontario in 1793.  He may also have known about Hornor's Governor's Road Settlement (Princeton) if he was from N.Y. State, since Hornor was from the area of Princeton, N.J.  The Hornor family was Quaker and had connections with Long Island families.

The 1851 Census of Canada West, East Oxford Township, Oxford County has listings for two of his sons, Isaac and David.  Isaac said he was born in N.Y. State.  David said he was born in the U.S.A.  Isaac the elder and three of his older children Jonathan, James and John were dead by then so they are not on the Census.

The 1790 Census of the United States has an Isaac Kipp and wife (no children) living in Northeast, Dutchess County, N.Y.  They were living next to Jonathan Meed and family.  There is no Isaac Kipp and family there in the 1800 Census.  There were many Quaker families in this area.

The 1800 Census of the United States has an Isaac Kipp and wife living in Rensselaerville, Albany County, N.Y.  They have children: 3 males to 10 and 1 male 10 to 20.  If this is my family, there is one son missing.

It is possible that Isaac and Hannah moved from Dutchess County sometime after 1790, stopped in Albany County near Rensselaerville and were recorded in 1800 US Census and then proceeded across New York State by established routes to cross the Niagara River and then proceeded across Upper Canada to Oxford County.  They could also have taken a lake boat and landed along Lake Erie and proceeded inland to Oxford County.

DNA Study

Several years ago I submitted a DNA sample to the National Genographic Project and subsequently uploaded those results to the FT DNA website where I established a KIP/KIPP family DNA study.  Since then other individuals have tested their y-DNA and joined the KIP/KIPP DNA study at FT DNA).  Three of the six individuals match my first 12 markers exactly and one of the three individuals has taken his markers to 37 and we match 35/37 where the difference is in CDYa/b which are considered to be fast moving markers and any familial differences often appear in these markers within family lines.  This individual has a paper trail back to the de Kype (Kip) family of New Amsterdam who emigrated between 1636 and 1643 to New Amsterdam now the present day New York City.  I still have a brickwall with my gg grandfather Isaac Kipp in Dutchess County, New York (born 1764).  I have never found out who his parents were.  I continue to try to find the paper trail back to Hendrick Hendricksen [Kip] in New Amsterdam.

Interestingly, the haplogroup for this set of markers is R1b1b2a1a which is thought to be Frisian (i.e. that grouping of peoples who lived along the northwestern European coastline between the Atlantic and Denmark and within a 100 miles of Amsterdam).

1. Edward Kipp

2. Lorne Bernice Kipp (b Sept. 3, 1901) - Gobles, Oxford Co. ON, Canada (m Phyllis Link)

3. William Henry Kipp (b Oct. 1, 1862) - Burford Twp, Brant Co., Canada West (m Ida Caroline Schultz)

4. Benjamin Kipp (b Mar. 26, 1811) - Burford Twp, Brant Co., Upper Canada (m Elizabeth Force)

5.Isaac Kipp (b Nov. 1, 1764) - New York (m Hannah Meed)

6. DNA

7. DNA

8. DNA

9. Isaac Hendricksen Kip (b Jan 1627) - Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands (m Catalyntje Hendrick Snyers)

10. Hendrick Hendricksen [Kip] (b cir 1600) – Netherlands (m Tryntie Lubberts)

Sources:

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BIRTH and MARRIAGE dates:

From the Family Bible of Richard Titus Kipp (in the possession of the author)

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PETITION FOR LAND:

(Archives of Ontario - Upper Canada Land Patents -- K Bundle 1797-1799 & 1800-1802, Group 5, #22 (Isaac Kipp) 3p. Also, National Archives of Canada - mf C-2117)

To His Excellency Peter Hunter Esquire Lieut Governor of the Province of Upper Canada ---- in Council

The Petition of Isaac Kipp of the Township of Blenheim, Farmer

Humbly therewith --

That your Petitioner has been about nine months in the Province, with his Family consisting of a wife and five children that he has a yoke of oxen, two cows & farming utensils -- agreeably to the annexed certificate and that being desirous to settle in the Province, your petitioner humbly prays your Excellency would be pleased to grant him a Lot on Dundas Street for improvement, and as in Duty bound your petitioner shall ever pray --

Isaac Kipp (signed)     York 6th August 1801

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OATH OF ALLEGIANCE:

Oath of Allegiance taken by Thomas Hornor on August 7, 1801.

(Original is found in the Brant County Museum, Brantford, Ontario.)

(Archives of Ontario - Upper Canada Land Patents -- K Bundle 1797-1799 & 1800-1802, Group 5, #22 (Isaac Kipp) 3p. Also, National Archives of Canada - mf C-2117)

This may Certify that the bearer Isaac Kipp has been an Inhabitant of this Country since last October, he has a wife & five Children, is a very industrious man and has a yoke of oxen, two milk cows and one Calf & farming utensils for the use of a farm -- and has taken the Oath of Allegiance as prescribed by law.

Thomas Hornor J.P. (signed)   Blenheim August 8th 1801

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ORDER-IN-COUNCIL (OC):

(Archives of Ontario - Upper Canada Land Patents -- K Bundle 1797-1799 & 1800-1802, Group 5, #22 (Isaac Kipp) 3p. Also, National Archives of Canada - mf C-2117)

No. 22 Isaac Kipp Rec. 17 Aug't 1801

Read in Council 18 August Recommended for 200 acres subject to the Settling Duties.

App. Hr. Peter Russell

Warrant paid 31 August 1801 to Mr. Joseph Willcock.

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AFFIDAVIT:

(Archives of Ontario - Township Papers, East Oxford, lot 1 concession 1, 3p.)

Home District     Before me William Allan Esquire of York to wit

His Majesty's Justices of the Peace for

the Home District personally came and appeared Isaac Kipp of the Township of Burford yeoman and made oath that there are five acres cleared and under cultivation on Lot Number one in the first concession of the Township of Oxford on Dundas Street Eastern Division. That a House of Sixteen by twenty is erected on the said Lot and that half the allowance for road in front of the said Lot is completely cleared.

Sworn before me this 3rd December 1810 W. Allan J.P (signed)

Isaac Kipp (signed)

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RECEIPT:

(Archives of Ontario - Township Papers, East Oxford, lot 1 concession 1, 3p.)

Reg 346    Receiver Generals Office   York the 3 December 1810

Isaac Kipp has paid into this Office Two Pounds ten shillings Provincial Currency the 2d of Patent Fees on 200 acres of Land. Being Lot No. 1, 1st Con in Dundas Street Oxford E. Division Reg 1797

2.10 pound Provl Currency to the Acting Surveyor Gen'l

P. Selby Rec. Gen'l (signed)

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DESCRIPTION OF THE GRANT:

(Archives of Ontario - Township Papers, East Oxford, lot 1 concession 1)

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CROWN PATENT:

(Archives of Ontario - Land Patents - Lib. LA, Folio 356):

East Oxford Township, Oxford County, Ontario. Lot 1 Concession 1.

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Isaac served in the County of Oxford Militia under Thomas Hornor.  His name appears on a pay list dated June 4, 1805.  An Isaac Kipp was also in the First Flank Company of the First Regiment of Oxford Militia as indicated by the pay list dated July 21, 1812 (could have been his son Isaac).

(Will - Surrogate Court, Court House, Woodstock, Ontario. Non-contentious, Isaac Kipp. No. 45, Grant No. 45)

(Index of Wills of Oxford County 1805-1870, Oxford County Branch, OGS)

Isaac Kipp died on August 6, 1846. In his will he mentions his sons Isaac, Benjamin, Richard, David, Daniel and John. He also mentions his wife Hannah, his daughter Eliza Reece, a granddaughter Hannah Reece and his daughter Susan Lawrence and her husband Samuel. The executors of his will were his wife Hannah, John Jackson, George Lowthian, Innkeeper, and William Force. The estimated value of his goods and chattels was 106 pounds and 10 shillings. This included such items as one yearling steer, two calves, one yolk of oxen, three horses, and five sheep, etc.

1851 Census of Canada West:

East Oxford Township. Oxford Co. has listings for two of his sons, Isaac and David. Isaac said he was born in N.Y. State.  David said he was born in the U.S.A.  Isaac the elder and three of his older children Jonathan, James and John were dead by then so are not on the Census.

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LAND DEALINGS:

Isaac deeded lot 1 concession 1 of East Oxford Township to two of his sons, the east 100 acres to John in 1817 and the west 100 acres to David in 1818.  He then bought land on lot 11 concession 1 of Burford Township, Brant County, about one mile east of Princeton, Ontario.  He bought this land from James Smiley on July 10, 1809 (NE 50 acres) for 21 pounds 17 shillings 6 pence (Memorial 276, con 1 lot 11 Burford Township, Oxford County Registry Office, Woodstock, Ontario).  On May 14, 1815 he purchased a further 89 acres.  

On an 1824 voter's list for Oxford County Isaac was on lot 24 concession 1 of Burford Township and voted for Thomas Hornor and James Racey.  In 1835, when Isaac was 71, this farm was transferred to his son Richard Titus on a life lease.  Isaac died in 1846.  The farm was sold to James Lewis in 1857.  Part of this farm was bought by William Rabb in 1916.  He married Ella Kipp, a great-granddaughter of Isaac Kipp, the elder.

On November 10, 1821, James Kipp, a son of Isaac Kipp. the elder, bought 98 acres of the west half of concession 1 lot 13, Burford Township from John Doyle for 50 pounds of lawful money of the Province of Upper Canada.  However, James was bonded to his father for the sum of 400 pounds on November 20, 1821.  The bond said that his father had bought the farm for the purpose of bestowing it upon James and that Isaac was determined to reserve a certain portion of the pine timber now growing on the west half of lot 13, a sufficient quantity for building and fencing; timber for the use of the farm on which Isaac was now residing, lot 11 concession 1 Burford Township.  James became ill several years later.  His will made out and dated March 1, 1825 is in the possession of Mrs. Ethel (Kipp) Brinker (deceased), of Princeton, Ontario. The rag paper has a watermark containing the date 1820 in large sized numbers which are easily seen when the paper is held up to the light.

The will bequeathed to his father 49 acres of the south west corner of lot 13 and to his mother one two year old heifer.  The remainder of the estate was divided among his brothers and sisters. James marked his will with shaking hand in the presence of Levi R. Brown, Samuel Doyle and William Slawson.  The executors of the will were Henry Slawson, Jacob Goble, and William King Cornish. James died on March 6, 1825.

A Quit Claim was issued on March 19, 1825 in which David Kipp, a son of Isaac Kipp, the elder, obtained the whole of the north west 49 acres of lot 13 for the sum of 20 pounds lawful money to each of:  Isaac Kipp of Oxford, heir-at-law of James Kipp, John Kipp of Oxford, Jonathan Kipp of Oxford, Henry Reece and wife Elizabeth of Burford, Robert Lucas Gillam and wife Phebe of Dumfries, and Susan Kipp of Burford, spinster.

Isaac Kipp, the elder, passed on the southwest quarter of lot 13 to his son David on January 3, 1846.  David sold the west half of lot 13 to his son David Jr. on August 30, 1870.  After David Jr. died, his son Walter obtained the farm from his mother Elizabeth on a life lease in 1906.  Walter's son Delmer bought the farm in 1935.  Delmer ran a wholesale butter business and his brother Donald farmed the land.  The farm was sold to Eugene Horvath in 1957.  The original house built on lot 13 still stands in a remodeled state.  Ten inch thick hand hewn squared timbers were used.  There was a massive oak front door with large double lock and large key.