Website updated

The website:  http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/edwardmain.htm 

is now updated with links to the material that Edward had put up on World Connect (rather than gedcoms I have created documents in Legacy as pertinent). Go to the above link and select "The Kip/Kipp Family in North America" and the files are available as *.pdf documents. We have also added a new document: "The Ancestors of Edward Burnice Kipp." It is all the information that we have that Edward accumulated during his over 55 years of genealogical research across Ontario, Quebec, the Maritimes, the New England States, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania as well as France and the British Isles. He was in communication with researchers in Holland and Germany as a trip was being planned to look at records in those two countries but COVID-19 meant the end of that trip. 

Although Edward was a scientist (Inorganic Chemist) and technical librarian during his working life, he derived great pleasure from seeking out information on his many family lines. The search for his 2x great grandfather Isaac Kipp's family was his initial path into genealogical research and he was not able to definitively name this couple but the y-DNA links this Kipp family back to the Kip family of New Amsterdam/New York and ultimately back to The Netherlands. 

The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter for the 1st of August, 2024 is in process and hopefully will be published in the next couple of weeks. My recovery from cataract surgery has been very steady and I now have my new glasses to permit my close work on the computer. I have been working on just one section and needed to have more ability to look at various items on the y-DNA results accumulated when we did Y-700 on Edward's sample. 

This update from his family who cheerily visited graveyards in many many places copying down information from ancient tombstones to be with him. Rest in peace dear Edward you are still very missed by your family even though it is now more than three years since you passed away. 

The Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 3 Issue 1 is published on the yDNA website

 The latest issue of the Kip-Kipp Newsletter is published on the yDNA website at FT DNA. Although I thought it would be 2 or 3 pages it has expanded to 6 pages due to discussion with another researcher. His comments are added in along with part of an earlier article just to clarify a point. 

Doing the Y-700 test on Edward's DNA has altered my thoughts on keeping up with the Newsletter. Unfortunately it only looks at this one particular line and there are several known lines of Kipp in the Study including one set directly from Germany in the mid 1700s. Anyone wishing to submit articles is most welcome to do so.

Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 4, 2023

  The Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 4, 2023 is published on the Kip-Kipp yDNA website at FT DNA. It is three pages in length and deals primarily with yDNA results. 

Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023

 The Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023 is published on the Kip-Kipp yDNA website at FT DNA. I have reached this point earlier than I initially thought in terms of publishing the Newsletter. I suspect it will now shrink to one or two pages as I am busy revising and editing a publication on another surname. 

Two years have passed now since the death of Edward and not having our daily breaks where we talked about his research primarily as I tend to be a listener rather than a talker I find that I can not at my own age of nearly 78 manage two large studies. My own study is with the Guild of one-name studies and concerns my parent's surnames. My younger sister maintains what I would label a genealogical study of our family whereas my interest lies in the surnames and the path back without really going sideways very often which is more of a genealogical study. 

We continue working our way through Edward's research boxes and the number is decreasing (estimated around 20 to 25 and these boxes are no longer full to the top). We have given away some of the records especially original images in particular lines and a set of records has gone to the Museum in his home town. We need to now put together the sets of data for two areas - one is Kipp and in particular the Kipp descendants of Benjamin Kipp and Elizabeth Force who went west and were amongst the earliest settlers in Chilliwack BC and the other set is for the Allen, Folkins, Parlee families of New Brunswick who were Loyalists coming out of the New England/New York area at the end of the American Revolution to settle in what became New Brunswick.. We need to contact the two archival repositories in BC and NB to see if they are interested in this collection of original images. In the case of the Kipp images they were all published in a book which Edward produced in the mid 1970s and a deposit copy is already in their institution so that the images could simply become a Fonds related to that publication so that the images are available to researchers. The Loyalist group is heavily studied and maintained in New Brunswick and we hope that they too would add this set of images to their collection. That is next summer's project. 

I will continue publishing the journal in hopes that at some point another member of the study will take it on along with the yDNA study itself. But I am not in a rush to remove myself although age will eventually catch up to me. Time does tend to be the hero in these types of studies as one does need space to take on such a commitment and there is plenty of that still. 

Kipp Newsletter completed

 The Kipp Newsletter Volume 2 Issue 2 is completed and will be published on the Kip/Kipp site at FT DNA on the 1st of May. 

 I completed the Kipp Newsletter day before yesterday but it came with a surprise. I have not worked on Edward's DNA matches since he passed away. The time simply escaped me and it was hard to fit it in. He has so many matches on the many testing sites (most of his ancestors (except for three who came in the 1800s - one from Norfolk, England (1832) and two from the Mecklenburg-Strelitz area (1849 and 1867) of present day Germany) were in the Royal British colonies and New Holland (Dutch colonies) beginning in 1620 with the later ones coming in the early 1700s (mostly by 1710)). But last issue of the Kipp Newsletter I had talked about looking at his autosomal matches on ancestry. There has likely been several hundred or more new additions to his site and with the new technique of separating into paternal and maternal there was a different way to look at these matches as I have learned on my own site and those of my siblings on ancestry. Not having any really close relatives testing, Edward had often sought to persuade cousins to test and had been successful with some.  He was trying to find his Kipp line back to Hendrick Hendricksen Kip since the yDNA matched known descendants. The reach back was in actual fact into the mid 1700s because his 2x great grandfather Isaac Kipp was born in 1764 which is pretty far back for just a 2x great grandfather but he was lucky as he was descended from the youngest sons in two generations. There were four rather interesting 4th to 6th cousin matches that were not in his Ancestry file. One of them was descendant of Isaac Kipp and Hannah Meed his 2x great grandparents so eliminated. The other three were all descendant of the second eldest son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and two of the three cross matched with Edward. The amount shared quite phenomenal for likely sixth cousins (28 cM and 22 cM). Given that Ancestry does eliminate DNA in common with their software package TIMBER this is likely a larger match. Edward did inherit a substantial amount of Kipp DNA in the cross between Kipp and Schultz although likely in the 25 to 30% range. The system is complicated because a Kipp male married a Schultz female and a Schultz male married a Kipp female so that his second cousins in that line are all double second cousins making the data difficult to manage. The match itself is significant because it is large. Shared that with my eldest last evening and she is keen to work on that when she has time. It was a dream of her father to find that elusive line back to Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. There are a number of Isaac Kip lines and other sons coming down that do not reach into the mid 1700s so one of them perhaps. Isaac Hendricksen Kip and his wife Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers were the parents of six sons and one daughter. He had placed the possible connection in this family line calling the line DNA-3 Kip as he felt it would be three steps back to this match from his 2x great grandfather. Definitely more to do as there are a number of matches in common with these two individuals and I have not yet looked at other matches within the 4th to 6th cousin range. My first search into the new matches was quite amazing. Although Ancestry does not provide any chromosomal details the size of their database and their search engine do make the results quite interesting and manageable in a different way from the chromosome matching. 

I continued today working on his 23 and Me matches and again in two years the number of matches greater than 1% shared has increased rapidly and more than half of the first page of matches needed to be painted in DNA painter today and I will work a little on that over the next couple of weeks. The complication for me is not knowing the families that well and the Kipp/Schultz of his paternal grandparents being first cousin with his paternal grandfather being Kipp and his paternal grandmother was a Schultz. One of Edward's Grandfather Kipp's brothers Alfred's daughter Elizabeth married the brother of his paternal grandmother Schutz and the children were then first cousins once removed and second cousin once removed so very close making it hard to distinguish between the Kipp and Schultz lines. I may remove them from the DNA Painter chart and only include Kipp that is not descendant of Kipp-Schultz and the same with Schultz. His tree is large but it is not an easy challenge given that I do not know the families that well. 

I know that I can not do my surname research and Edward's genealogy but I will try to keep it up to date in as much as possible until my oldest daughter retires as she has an interest slowly growing - not quite ready yet to really get into it but time will tell. 

This month's work

 My older daughter is acquiring an interest in all of this work and with her background is ideally suited to taking it all over eventually. I should leave her some exciting work to do! I think genealogy is rather a field that can be painstakingly slow but with great rewards from this slow methodical extraction of data. I would say she is  more interested in the people aspect and would like to finish up her Dad's pursuit of his Kipp ancestor known to be descendant of the Kip family of New Amsterdam/New York. Isaac Kipp was born 1 Nov 1764 but his parents remain unknown. He married Hannah Mead/Meed 29 Aug 1790 and she was born 11 Aug 1770. All of this is thought to be in New York State (possibly in Northeast Town where they are found on the census in 1790 living next door to or with Jonathan Mead (the Cooper III). On the 1800 census Isaac and Hannah are at Rensselaerville, New York and they arrived in southwestern Ontario in the fall of 1800 seeking land as settlers (they had four of their five sons with them (Jonathan appeared to have been left behind with his grandfather)). The yDNA for Edward matches the yDNA of known descendants of the Kip family of New Amsterdam/New York. Edward has a huge amount of data on the Kip/Kipp family and I occasionally dip into the DNA results and continue his collection of that data but have left the rest for another. I will keep up the Kipp Newsletter that I started (and she helps me when she is here) and this time it is a continuation of  the children of the emigrant Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and it will be Volume 2 Issue 2. That is this month's work.

Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 2, Issue 1, 2023 posted to the website

The next issue of the Kip-Kipp Newsletter is posted to the FT DNA yDNA study website. 

 

Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter, Volume 1, Issue 4

The latest issue of the Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter, Volume 1, Issue 4 is published on the Kipp yDNA study website. This issue discusses Jacob Hendricksen Kip, son of the immigrant Hendrick Hendricksen Kip to New Amsterdam/New York in the latter part of the 1630s or early part of the 1640s. 

Again I will place the text in this blog but the images will not show. 

 The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

Table of Contents

1. The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

2. Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS

3. History of The Kip Family in America

4. What do we know about Jacob Hendricksen Kip (3rd son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip) ?

5. Letters to the Editor

6. yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families

7. Next Issue

1. The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

The last issue of Volume 1 and it is a year since I first thought about doing a Kipp Family Newsletter. It is now a year and a half since Edward passed away. Time doesn’t really dim the memory of Edward but does dim the memory of his illness and how difficult it became towards the end of his life. Living in the midst of COVID and trying to protect him from all of that, the memory of those last months have faded now. Mostly I remember all the lovely trips that we took together after I retired in 2008. Edward retired in 2004 but he was only interested in trips on the North American continent. When I finally persuaded him after many years actually (I first went to Europe in 2001), he loved it once he got back home again and six months had passed. He couldn’t wait for the next overseas tour to begin. And so began our booking for particular trips and then preparing our plan for sightseeing around the areas where we were in different hotels on the tours. It worked so very well and we saw a number of items not included on the tour in the big cities that we stayed in. Luckily the hotel choices were often in the midst of the older parts of the cities filled with ancient buildings.  We were in the midst of planning a trip to Germany which would include The Netherlands for a short stay in Amsterdam. Edward was in touch with a researcher there that would help to take us through the records of the Kip family held there. Edward’s father Lorne Kipp’s parents were William Henry Kipp and Ida Caroline Wilhelmina Schultz.  The Kipp family having their roots in Amsterdam (at the time that they came to the New Amsterdam colony in the 1630s) and the Schultz family having their roots in Mecklenburg-Strelitz from where they came in 1866 (Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Schultz) and 1849 (Wilhemine Fredericka Johanna Niemann). We were busy learning German to help us on that tour around Germany but Edward’s illness had progressed and traveling became out of the question by the end of 2019 so we did have to cancel although we continued working on our German if it happened that there was a change that would permit him to make the trip. 

2. Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS

Edward and I were working on his family story in late 2020 and early 2021. I had tried for a few years to get him to write a story of his life for our children but he was busy with all his projects and did keep putting it off. Finally we began to work on it together and that was working fairly well although it is much shorter than I had hoped we might get written. I had written my story and it is now over 2000 pages to be honest but 1800+ pages deal with both of us from the time we first started dating until now.  When I sat with him in the hospital one time I told him that I would rename the story as Our Story since I had created the story in parts (Part 1 is my childhood) so Parts 2 to where ever I end up can be Our Story. 

Edward’s favourite picture was taken in 2004. He is sitting in the Canadian Institute for Scientific and Technical Information building at the National Research Council, Ottawa, Canada where he worked before retirement (for nearly thirty years). Although trained as a scientist (he had his PhD in Inorganic Chemistry, a Postdoc in Environmental Chemical Engineering) he did end up then going back and doing his MLS (masters in library science) and working at the library on the National Research Council Montreal Road Campus in Ottawa. 

 

Although, having graduated in science myself, I would have enjoyed his continuing to work as a scientist but jobs just weren’t there. But the one thing I really noticed as the time away from the laboratory passed was that he didn’t have a cold all the time. So in the long run it did appear that he was healthier working in the library environment. For that, I was quite content. I would have said he missed being a scientist but he did love working in the library as well.

3. History of The Kip Family in America

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual 

This website on Roots Web is still accessible but the entire listing is also on the website which Edward created:

https://wc.rootsweb.com/ 

In World Connect, search the "jump to a specific database" field for edwkipp8

Fortunately for the Kip Family in America an earlier researcher put together an extensive family genealogy book “History of The Kip Family in America” by Frederic Ellsworth Kip of Montclair, New Jersey and assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley of Morristown, New Jersey and was published in 1928 at Boston by Hudson Printing Company. It is available on Internet Archive:

https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt 

4. What do we know about Jacob Hendricksen Kip (3rd son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip) ?

Jacob Hendricksen Kip was the third son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and Tryntje Lubberts. 

Jacob Hendricksen was baptized 25 May 1631 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, The Netherlands. His death is mentioned as 24 Dec 1690 at Kip’s Bay, New York City. He married Maria de la Montagne 8 Mar 1654 in New Amsterdam, New Netherlands (this area was still a Dutch Colony at the time of his marriage). 

Edward’s notes for Jacob in Legacy Family Tree:

Jacobus Hendricksen Kip was born in Amsterdam, Holland, and emigrated to America with his family. He began his political career in 1647, when only sixteen. He was a clerk in the Provincial secretary's office at New Amsterdam. As early as 1650 he was acting clerk in Director Stuyvesant's Council. In 1650, he was a Deputy Secretary. On Jan. 27, 1653, he was appointed the First Secretary of the Court of Burgomasters and Schepens in New Amsterdam. January 12, 1654, Burgomasters allowed Jacob a salary of 200 Guilders a year as Receiver of the City revenue.

Jacob Kip resigned the office of Secretary, June 12, 1657, and engaged in brewing, combining with this business that of a general trader or storekeeper. November 29, 1655, he was appointed Vendue Master to Court of Orphen Masters and he was a member of the Board of Schepens in 1659, 1662, 1665, and President of the Board in 1674. After the English conquest of New Netherland in 1664, the Burgomasters and Schepens named their own successors, and Jacob was chosen Schepen in 1665. Jacob was an Officer of the City Militia, having been commissioned Lieutenant by Governor Lovelace on May 1, 1668.

Jacob was the ancestor of the Kip's Bay, New York and Worchester County, N.Y., Kip Families. The original patent was for the land was granted by Francis Lovelace, Governor, &c., to Jacob Kipp on April 15, 1671. Jacob built a house at Kip's Bay in 1655 (current spot 2nd Ave and 38th Street NYC). This house was erected in 1655; the bricks of which were imported from Holland. It was a large double house, with three windows in a row on one side of the door and two on the other, with one large wing. House was torn down in 1851 to make way for progress.

Jacob, baptized 25 May 1631 in the Oude Kerk in Amsterdam. DTB 006p306

Sponsors are Herman Heynrix, probably another brother of Hendrick Hendricksz and Sara Willems, unknown.

Sources:

1. 17th Century Hollanders (online site)

http://17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/63040141/Hendrick%20Hendricksz%20Kip 

2. History of The Kip Family In America,  by Frederic E. Kip and Margarita L. Hawley, 1928.  No. 3, p. 36, 44. (see Item 3 above).

3. Contributions to the History of the Kip Family of New York and New Jersey, by Edwin R. Purple, 1877, 44 pages.

https://archive.org/details/contributionstoh1877purp 

4. Historical Notes of the Family of Kip of Kipsburg and Kip's Bay, New York, by William  Ingraham Kip, 1871. [This is an interesting book to look at but is in error as the father of Hendrick Hendricksen would not have been Ruloff De Kype as Hendrick’s second name would then have been Ruloffsen as patronymics were followed in The Netherlands in this time period. Hendrick does list his dwelling place in his betrothal statement and it was in Niewenhuys (refer back to Issue 1 of the Kip Family Newsletter). Beginning on page 12 is a writeup on Jacobus. 

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/331207/?offset=&return=1#page=10&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

5. Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol. 1.

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/132136/?offset=0#page=1&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

Page 18 in the Collection of the NYGBS (Volume 1) has the following: 

den 14 dicto. Jacob Hendrickszen Kip, en Maria de Lamontagne, Van Amsterdam, getrouwt den 8 Mart. (this is page 32 on the page viewer). 

6. Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New Amsterdam and New York. 

Marriages from 11 December 1639 to 26 August 1801, edited by Samuel S. Purple, MD, New York, 1890.

p. 18.  14 Feb. 1654  Jacob Hendrickszen Kip, en Maria de Lamontagne, Van Amsterdam, getrouwt den 8 Mart.

7.  Legal Document of Dutch Colonial Times, by Richard H. Amerman. de Halve Maen, Vol. XXXV, No. 4, Jan. 1961. p. 9, 10 (on viewer page 11,12). Transcription from above MSS item.

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/276886/?offset=0#page=1&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

 

 

8. The Register of New Netherland 1626 to 1674. By E.B. O'Callaghan. Clearfield Co., Baltimore, MD. 1995. Online at Family Search I found this book which was published at Albany NY by J Munsell, 78 State Street in 1865.

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/404400/?offset=0#page=27&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

P. 27. Jacob Kip, acting Provincial Secretary in 1650.

P. 28. Jacob Hendricksen Kip named as Deputy Secretary in 1650.

P. 62 -64. Jacob Kip listed as a Schepen in 1659, 1663 and 11 Aug 1674 named as President as well as Schepen.

P. 103. Jacob Kip listed as a Town Clerk of New Amsterdam 27 Jan 1653.

P. 144. Under Landts Vergadering, or Meeting of Magistrates of the several Dutch Towns, holden at New Amsterdam, at which the towns mentioned below were represented, but we have the names only of those from two places. 3 Nov 1663 Jacob Kip, New Amst   erdam.

P. 167. Jacob Kip named To Value the Estates of all persons in New Orange above One thousand Guilders, 1 Feb 1674.

9. Calendar of Dutch Historical Manuscripts in the Office of the Secretary of State Albany, New York 1630-1664, by Edmund B. O'Callaghan, The Gregg Press, Ridgewood, NJ, 1968.

 https://archive.org/details/calendarofhistor00newy/page/40/mode/2up   

P. 40. Register of Provincial Secretary, Vol. II, p. 163. No date in margin but likely Aug. 1647.  Power of Attorney. Jacob Hendricksen Kip to Harman Hendricksen Droogh, his uncle, to receive money due him by the W.I. Company at Amsterdam.

P. 52. Register of Provincial Secretary, Vol. III, p. 75. March 20, 1651.  Deed. Peter Cornelissen to Jacob Hendricksen Kip, of a lot on Manhatten island.

P. 130. Council Minutes, Vol. V, p. 97. Jan. 27, 1653. Appointment. Jacob Kip to be secretary or clerk to the burgomasters and schepens of New Amsterdam.

P. 155. Council Minutes, Vol. VI, p. 175. Nov. 29, 1655. Appointment. Jacob Kip, to be vendue master to the court of orphan masters.

P. 186. Council Minutes, Vol. VIII, p. 596. June 12, 1657. Resignation of Jacob Kip of his office of clerk of New Amsterdam and request that another be appointed in his stead, with order thereupon.

P. 187. Council Minutes, Vol. VIII, p. 610. June 13, 1657. Order. Continuing Jacob Kip in his office until he have finished transcribing the records thereof.

P. 221. Council Minutes, Vol. IX, p. 522. March 1, 1660. Petition. Aert Anth. Meddagh, Tonis Gysberts Bogaert, Jorsey Rapelje, Jean Le Cler, Jacob Kip, and others, for permission to plant a village on the river side opposite the Manhatans, in sight of fort Amsterdam, between the lands of said Bogaert and Kip.

P. 382. Land Papers, Vol. H.H., p. 56. June 21, 1656. Patent. Jacob Kip; lot in the Sheep pasture, New Amsterdam.

P. 386. Land Papers, Vol. H.H., p. 127. April 11, 1661. Patent. Jacob Kip; lot in the Sheep pasture, New Amsterdam, adjoining the deacon's lot.

10. American Family Antiquity. Being an account of the origin and progress of American  families, traced from their progenitors in this country, connected with their history abroad. Illustrated with portraits and emblazoned coats armorial. Vol. II. KIP. Albert  Welles. American College for Genealogical Registry and Heraldry. New York. 1881. New York Public Library. [This book has ten pages on the Kip family Pages 17 to 26). Again it refers back to the Ruloff De Kype family although generally this has been found to be a false line according to Patronymics and the actual birth place of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. But to be complete in one’s lookback in time it is necessary to relate what is found in the literature.]

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/208354/?offset=0#page=11&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

11. Abstract of Title of Kip's Bay Farm in the City of New York, with All Known Maps Relating Thereto, Together With the Water Grants on The East River Adjoining Said Farm, and Releases From the City on the Eastern Post Road. Etc., Etc., Etc.

Also, The Early History of the Kip Family and The Genealogy as Refers to Title. By John J Post of the New York Bar. New York. S. Victor Constant. 1894.

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/359077/?offset=0#page=1&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

In this particular document, one notes that Post has avoided any reference to Ruloff de Kype beginning with Hendrick Hendricksen Kype and the family information has been taken from the records. 

12. Original Land Patent: Recorded Vol. 3 of the Patents, page 99. Secretary of State's Office, Albany, New York.

https://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/files/1314/0284/1244/Volumes_GG_HH__II_-_Land_Papers.pdf 

 

To look at the books held by Family Search and with hypertext in the above text it is necessary to have a login and to sign in to read the books. 

   The following image I found in Edward’s files and it is the Family Chart of Jacobus Kipp (Chappaqua New York). I do not know the original location of this material but if I happen to find it I will add it later.  The original would certainly be a much better image to look at I would suspect. 

 

 Hendrick Kype is the 7th Great-Grandfather of Joseph Jacobus Kip

                                  * Hendrick Kype

                                (1576 -           )

                               * Margaret De Marneil

                              (Abt 1579 -           )

                                           |

                           * Hendrick Hendricksen Kip

                               (1600 – Sep 14 1685)

                                Tryntie Lubberts

                               (1599 - After 1665)

                              Married Apr 20, 1624

                                           |

                           * Hendrick Hendricksen Kip

                              (Aug 14, 1633 - 1670)

                                  Anna De Sille

                           (Nov 6, 1640 - May 20, 1711)

                             Married Feb 29, 1659/60

                                           |

                                 * Nicasius Kip

                              (1666 - Oct 10, 1713)

                                  Antie Breyant

                            (Sep 1671 - Jul 31, 1715)

                              Married Dec 20, 1691

                                           |

                                 * Cornelius Kip

                              (Dec 1699 - Dec 1803)

                                   Eva Berdan

                            (Oct 1697 - Feb 20, 1799)

                              Married Sep 17, 1720

                                           |

                              Jacobus James Jacobus

                          (May 21, 1716 - Aug 22, 1794)

                             * Maritje Cornelese Kip

                          (Sep 15, 1726 - Bef Jun 1774)

                              Married Jun 23, 1743

                                           |

                              * Nicholas I Jacobus

                              (1758 - Dec 27, 1819)

                                Maritje Vreeland

                           (Oct 5, 1766 - Nov 11, 1836)

                                           |

                                * James N Jacobus

                           (Aug 9, 1791 - Feb 2, 1858)

                                  Getty Doremus

                           (Jan 14, 1795 - Feb 7, 1879)

                                           |

                               * Nicolas I Jacobus

                               (1822 - May 6, 1901)

                            Pricilla Kitchell Buggins

                          (Jul 28, 1836 - Apr 19, 1926)

                              Married Jun 29, 1865

                                           |

                                * Joseph Jacobus

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5. Letters to the Editor

This section will be available to anyone wanting to write to the Editor. 

6. yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families

Project Statistics

Big Y     3

Distinct Y-DNA Confirmed haplogroups   6

Family Finder    21

Paternal Ancestor Information  24

Total Members  41

Unreturned kits   4

Y-DNA Deep Clade (after 2008)   3

Y-DNA Deep Clade (prior to 2008)  1

Y-DNA12     17

Y-DNA25     15

Y-DNA37     15

Y-DNA67     12

Y-DNA111     6

I will wait until I have results for Edward’s testing (I am still trying to decide which test to do although do incline towards doing Y-700) before commenting further on the yDNA study in general. The Kip family of New Amsterdam was not the only Kipp family in the 1700s in the United States and more discussion on these early families will also be forthcoming as Edward did spend time looking at these lines. 

7. Next Issue

The next issue is planned for the 1st of February 2023. Anyone wishing to submit an article/letter to the editor please send to Elizabeth Kipp (kippeeb@rogers.com). 

The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter, Volume 1, Issue 1 is published on the yDNA project FT DNA

 The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

Table of Contents

1. The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

2. Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS

3. Beginnings …

4. History of The Kip Family in America

5. What do we know about Hendrick Hendricksen Kip the emigrant (Part 1 – 1600? -1643)?

6. Letters to the Editor

7. yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families

8. Next Issue

1. The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

The idea of creating this Newsletter has emerged over the past couple of months. There is a lot of Kip-Kipp material to share in my husband’s research and the best means of doing so actually lay at my fingertips although I did not realize it for many months. I kept trying to think of who would carry on his research. 

This Newsletter is born of that thought process. I will begin the Newsletter and in God’s own time another Editor will appear to take over the task. I am perhaps best suited to begin on his work as I have all of his material at hand that he has collected for his Kip-Kipp ancestors. Regretfully, in 2011 I moved onto my own research into my parent’s surnames working only on my one name studies for the most part as I did use to help him with all of his material.

The watermark is Edward’s favourite picture of himself and will help me as I type and add material to this newsletter. Likely in the future another watermark will replace this one but for the moment my memory of him and his image will help me through this initial publication and will feel as if I am sharing it with him. 

2. Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS

Edward Kipp was born on one of the Kipp family farms in Burford Township in southwestern Ontario. His father Lorne Kipp managed the farm for his mother Ida (Schultz) Kipp and had done so since the death of his father William Henry Kipp in 1921. Edward was the second child and son of Lorne Kipp (and his wife Phyllis (Link) Kipp). He was born in the midst of World War II in 1943. His father was 43 years of age when he was born. Unfortunately, Lorne suffered a farming accident in 1945 and passed away which resulted in the farm being sold and Edward moved to Princeton, Ontario with his mother and older brother where he lived until he went to the University of Western Ontario (now Western University) in the fall of 1962. He studied Chemistry as an undergraduate and then did his PhD in Inorganic Chemistry completing his dissertation and public lecture in the summer of 1970. He then did a Postdoc in Chemical Engineering at the University of Western Ontario and followed that up with an MLS in Library and Information Science in 1975. This change to information specialist gained him a job (hard to come by in those days) and a career that spanned thirty years at the National Research Council in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. I entered the picture when we first met in 1965 and we were married in 1966. Although he missed being a Scientist he grabbed hold of life’s offerings and quickly entered into his new field. Along with that his interest in genealogy, which had begun before I knew him, took on a new life in many ways. A cousin, Gordon Riddle, introduced him to the Ottawa Branch of the Ontario Genealogical Society (OGS) which they attended together in the early 1980s here in Ottawa. Edward continued this association with the Ottawa Branch the rest of his life. He served in many areas including Chair of Gene-O-Rama (a yearly conference), Treasurer (several times) and for more than fifteen years Editor of the Newsletter (Ottawa Genealogist as it is now known). Edward was also very active with his class reunions for his Alma Mater the University of Western Ontario (now Western University) helping to organize them every five years for many years. Unfortunately, illness caught up to him and God took him home on the 10th of April 2021. His task though remains a work in progress and over time I am sure other eager hands will pick up the traces and carry on the Kip-Kipp Family Research. 

3. Beginnings …..

My first introduction to the Kipp family history was during a visit to Edward’s uncle Howard Kipp in June 1966. He had a picture on the wall which was actually a genealogical chart and my recollection is dim these days although I rather think it is in his records now. The chart began with Isaac Kipp and Hannah Mead and then under that their eleven children were listed. There the memory ends. I can not particularly remember if there were spouses for these children or grandchildren listed. I have not seen the chart for many years but if it reappears as I work my way through I will scan it and put it into an issue of this newsletter. 

That was basically the beginning of Edward’s active research into his Kipp family and for many years he only worked on the Kipp family until his mother gave him a huge stack of pictures for her Link family and suggested that he also do her family. But the beginning was interesting. Edward quickly found out about the Family History Centre and when we had a car he could easily go and spend a bit of time there on his family history. Edward had never been to the United States except on a field trip with the Chemistry group and initially we did not go there but finally he had exhausted all available resources here (visits to family members/local historians and local repositories were most of that effort) and we headed south in 1973 to Albany to see what we could find. His uncle knew that his family was from New York State and mentioned Dutchess County. After Albany State Library, Dutchess County was our next stop on that trip. We did make many trips to this area but never found the record he desired which was the birth of his Isaac Kipp verified (1 Nov 1764) and his marriage to Hannah Mead the 29th Aug 1790. These dates were in the Kipp Family Bible which also listed all the children and their dates of birth. 

There were other Kipp families who did not appear to trace back to the Kip family of New Amsterdam and he also researched those lines to a certain extent but could not find any record that would link his Isaac to these Kipp lines either. Then yDNA arrived and he tested in 2005. A match soon after with a known descendant of the Kip family of New Amsterdam was greeted with great joy. He finally had his answer and could concentrate on the Dutchess County area and so he did. This is a compilation of what he did find as the Newsletter continues until I am able to pass it to another. 

Looking back now on those early years, I got to see the area where Edward grew up and the people that he knew there. They were all very fond of him and, perhaps because his father died when he was two, told him many stories about his father which he enjoyed. But these few years before we moved to Ottawa were full of many repository trips to local municipal holdings and the Toronto Archives (I did use to bring along a book to read to be honest). But I cheered him along whenever he found something exciting to share and, as we discovered, I could easily read these old records and I did transcribe them for him as he found the handwriting difficult. So a little knowledge seeped in way back then but not a great deal of interest unfortunately. I do not have any American ancestry so could not really get thoroughly interested. The bonus though he would have this all done for his children I did think at the time!

4. History of The Kip Family in America

Fortunately for the Kip Family in America another earlier researcher put together an extensive family genealogy book “History of The Kip Family in America” by Frederic Ellsworth Kip of Montclair, New Jersey and assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley of Morristown, New Jersey and was published in 1928 at Boston by Hudson Printing Company. It is available on Internet Archive:

https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt 

The following appears at the front of the book:

“The compiler when twenty to twenty-two years old (1882 to 1884) worked on the Kip Genealogy, and obtained considerable data. This material, during the past eight years (1920 to 1928) has been edited and augmented by the genealogist, Miss Margarita Lansing Hawley.”

“Researches have been made in Holland, Great Britain, France, and in all of the places in the United States connected with the Kip family.”

Edward did enter all of the information in this book into a genealogy program (Legacy) and it can be found on the World Connect website:

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual 

5. What do we know about Hendrick Hendricksen Kip the emigrant (Part 1 - 1600-1643)?

Hendrick Hendricksen Kip or Heyndrick Heyndrixsz as named in the Book of Betrothals in Amsterdam, The Netherlands was said to have been born in Niewenhuys in the Betrothal statement found below. His name itself identifies his father as Heyndrix. Finding this on the map proved to be difficult. 

I did find a book published in 1675 called “The Netherland Historian, containing a true and exact relation of what hath passed in the late Wars between the King of Great Britain and the French King with their Allies against the States General of the United Provinces, from the beginning thereof Anno 1671 to the conclusion of Peace between his aforesaid Majesty of Britain, and the said States, with the continuation of what hath since happened between France and his Allies, against the said States and their Confederates to the end of the Year 1674”. Amsterdam, printed by Stephen Swart, bookseller near the Exchange, in the Crowned Bible, 1675 (I have modernized the English for easier reading). 

On page 403, “His Excellency the Lieutenant General Rabenhaupt having on the 7 April made himself Master of the Town and Castle of Nieuwenhuys left a small Garisson there and gathered his Troops together again, joining them to the army at Velthuyfen; whereupon the Bishop also hurried his men together, between Enskede, and Oldenzeel, and marched towards Otmarsen ……” 

https://books.google.ca/books?id=UUcJo7cCXXAC&pg=PA403&lpg=PA403&dq=where+was+the+town+of+Nieuwenhuys+in+The+Netherlands&source=bl&ots=xgN2ImZgxp&sig=ACfU3U2jW4IsNSY7e01imrywQqzHH84Y8w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjHqKOD65_1AhUCVt8KHZGUCR0Q6AF6BAgSEAM#v=onepage&q=where%20was%20the%20town%20of%20Nieuwenhuys%20in%20The%20Netherlands&f=false 

Locating this town did prove to be difficult. A map of The Netherlands dated 1799 created by Clement Cruttwell shows a place named Nienhuys which is located in Germany just across the Netherlands border from the places mentioned above namely Oldenzeel, Enschede and Otmarsch. 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/1799_Clement_Cruttwell_Map_of_Holland_or_the_Netherlands_-_Geographicus_-_Batavia-cruttwell-1799.jpg 

Interestingly, searching on Nienhuys brought up the following issue of The London Gazette, Issue 871 from Monday April 6 to Thursday April 9, 1674.  “….the Bishop of Munster having caused 1000 horse to be brought together to oppose the farther progress of Monsieur Rabenhaup, they happened to rencounter him near North…. and were defeated by him and the troops under his command; after which Monsieur Rabenhaup marched toward Nienhuys where as is said here there were 1000 men in garrison and causing the place to be attacked took it by storm.” 

Perhaps Nienhuys and Nieuwenhuys are just two different spellings of the same name. The German State does appear in 1674 to be holding that particular town but by then Henrick Henricksen Kip was in New Amsterdam. 

https://books.google.ca/books?id=XeZBAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA875&lpg=PA875&dq=town+of+nienhuys+the+netherlands&source=bl&ots=cDr1MUDhMw&sig=ACfU3U3Z6tFFwbULpOBS16w92D47L6Iydw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjCwu6Z-J_1AhWidt8KHUbpDIAQ6AF6BAgYEAM#v=onepage&q=town%20of%20nienhuys%20the%20netherlands&f=false 

New London Universal Gazetteer or Alphabetical Geography (1826) … (Published at London by G. Virtue, 26 Ivy Lane) lists Nienhuis as a town of Hanover on the Dinckel, 18 miles west of Lingen (page 650). 

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/The_New_London_Universal_Gazetteer_Or_Al/w7RfAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=nienhuys+Germany+%2B+map&pg=PA289&printsec=frontcover 

Searching on Family Search for a baptism for Heyndrick Heyndrixsz son of Heyndrix yielded too many results and will leave that for another researcher. It is interesting the extra information which includes the name of his brother in law Blomert Sanders. A place name search was not revealing. Reading the history of Graftschaft Bentheim (the area in Germany where this town now appears to be located) reveals a contested area in this part of the Holy Roman Empire. It makes interesting reading and does explain why so many people in the 1600s left Europe and came to the Americas. 

20 April 1624

Heyndrick Heyndrixsz, van

Niewenhuys, snyder, out 24 jaren, geasst~ met

zyn swager Blomert Sanders, 9 ans woon~ inde Servetsteeg

& Tryntie Lubberts, van Swoll, out 25 jaren, geen

ouders hebbend, a puero woon~ inde Angelierstraet, geass~

met haer nigte Annetie Heyndrix

[signed] Hendrick Hendricxsen, Trineke Loebes

DTB 429p86 - Huwelijksintekeningen in de kerk

Translation:

20 April 1624

Heyndrick Heyndricksz, from

Niewenhuys, tailor, 24 years old, assisted by

his brother-in-law Blomert Sanders, since 9 years living in the Servetsteeg,

was betrothed to Tryntie Lubberts, from Zwolle, 25 years old, parents

dead, since childhood living in the Anjeliersstraat, assisted

by her cousin Annetie Heyndrix

[signed] Hendrick Hendricxsen, Trineke Loebes

DTB 429p86 – Marriage intentions in the church 

Searching marriages from FamilySearch.org Edward found that Henrick Henrixsz(en) married Trijntje Lubberts on May 5, 1624 at Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands. [Indexing Project No. M01225-2. Source Film No. 113358.] [Indexing Project No. M90102-1. Source Film No. 113364].

May 6, 1625 Abraham son of Henrick Henrixsz and Trijntje Lubberts was presented for baptism at New Church, Amsterdam North Holland, Netherlands and baptized by Dominie L. Ambrosius.  

Source: "Netherlands Births and Baptisms, 1564-1910", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XBB7-LZB : 7 February 2020), Abraham Henrixsz, 1625.

Jan 10, 1627 Isaack Henrixsz son of  Henrick Henrixsz and Trijntje Lubberts was presented for baptism  in the Nieuwe Kerk, Amsterdam North Holland, Netherlands.  

Source: "Netherlands Births and Baptisms, 1564-1910", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XBPB-BTY : 7 February 2020), Isaack Henrixsz, 1627.

8 Mar 1629 Beertje Heindricksz daughter of Heindrick Heindricksz and Trijn Lubbers was presented for baptism in the Oude Kerk, Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands. 

Source: "Nederland, Indexen van de Archieven, Primaire Archiefstukken (BS en DTB), 1600-2000," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZBS-Y4MM : 25 June 2021), Beertje Heindricksz, Baptism 8 Mar 1629, Nederland; from database, openarchives (https://www.openarch.nl : 2016); citing Deel: 6, Periode: 1622-1634, archive 5001, inventory number 6, record number DTB 6, folio p.233; Deel: 6, Periode: 1622-1634; Stadsarchief Amsterdam.903/1:1:XBPB-BTY : 7 February 2020), Isaack Henrixsz, 1627.

25 May 1631 Jacob son of Heindrik Heindrix and Trijntjen Lubbers was presented for baptism in the Oude Kerk, Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands. 

Source: "Nederland, Indexen van de Archieven, Primaire Archiefstukken (BS en DTB), 1600-2000," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DR-PWW1 : 22 August 2017), Jacob, Baptism 25 May 1631, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands; from database, openarchives (https://www.openarch.nl : 2016); citing ; DTB 6, p.306; Stadsarchief Amsterdam.

14 Aug 1633 Hendrick son of Heindrick Hendrixsz and Trijn Lubbers was presented for baptism in the Oude Kerk, Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands. 

Source: "Nederland, Indexen van de Archieven, Primaire Archiefstukken (BS en DTB), 1600-2000," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DB-G9ZH : 22 August 2017), Heindrik, Baptism 14 Aug 1633, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands; from database, openarchives (https://www.openarch.nl : 2016); citing ; DTB 6, p.376; Stadsarchief Amsterdam.

8 Jun 1636 Trijntjen Hendrixsz daughter of Heindrick Hendrixsz and Trijn Lubbers was presented for baptism in the Oude Kerk, Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands. 

Source: "Nederland, Indexen van de Archieven, Primaire Archiefstukken (BS en DTB), 1600-2000," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2D1-MGGB : 22 August 2017), Trijntjen, Baptism 08 Jun 1636, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands; from database, openarchives (https://www.openarch.nl : 2016); citing ; DTB 7, p.91; Stadsarchief Amsterdam.

19 Apr 1643 Femmetje Hendrick daughter of Hendrick Hendricksz was presented for baptism at the Reformed Dutch Church, New York, New York, USA (although I think this should read New Amsterdam, New Holland, I am using the reference given by Family Search).

Source: "New York Births and Christenings, 1640-1962", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V2HY-YFH : 14 February 2020), Femmetje Hendrick, 1643.

The presence of the children of Hendrick and Trijntjen Hendrixsz with their parents in New Amsterdam does give credence to this being the same family that was located in Amsterdam and that emigrated to New Amsterdam after 1636 and before 1643. 

The Manatus Map (1639) apparently shows the Plantation of the tailor as No. 45 on the map. Fredric Ellsworth Kip speculated that this is Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. I.N. Phelps Stokes in “The Iconography of Manhattan Island 1498 to 1909, New York” (published 1915) does not, however, indicate who Snyder or the Tailor was.  Stokes does however mention Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (page 131) as having a “house with a garden on the north side of High Street, almost directly back of the Old Church on the Strand.” But the time period that he has associated with this comment is 1655. 

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/digital/collections/cul/texts/ldpd_5800727_002/ldpd_5800727_002.pdf 

Frederic Ellsworth Kip in his book mentioned the Records of Old West India Company (page 19) No. 14, LXXV fol. 90 vo, as follows:

The Minutes of the Directors of Amsterdam, Holland, record that "Henrick Henricksen Snijder (Snijder being a Dutch word for Tailor) requests for account of Henrick Jansen Snijder according to the bill of exchange, dated Aug. 15, 1635 and signed by Wouter van Twiller and Martin Gerritsen, the amount of 326 gilders, 19 stivers, 8 pennies."   [Edward’s statement: I have not seen this reference.] His request was referred to the Commissioners for New Netherland.” It would appear that Henrick Henricksen Kip (and he was a tailor by trade) was living in Amsterdam in 1635.    

Definitely, with a child baptized in New Amsterdam in 1643, the Kip family was there by that time period. 

Is it possible to come closer to their arrival year? The last known date for this family to be in Amsterdam, The Netherlands was the baptism of their daughter Tryntje 8 Jun 1636. On April 28, 1643, Hendrick Hendricksz Kip was granted a lot in New Amsterdam located east of the fort -- New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch; Volumes GG, HH, & II, Land Papers, Translated and Edited by Charles Gehring (1980); p. 17 [original document #GG 57].

A number of authors through the years have discussed the acquisition of the surname Kip by Hendrick Hendricksz. The following is taken directly from a document produced by my husband a number of years ago and I share it with the newsletter.

“Many books (from 1848 to 1928) give him an ancestry with the surname De Kype. None of these books provide a source for this information and the current maintainer of the Kip/Kipp Family in America database has found no evidence to indicate it is true. It would appear his Dutch surname was Hendricksen or Henrixsz or Henrixsen and that sometime between when he arrived in New Amsterdam between 1636/7 and March 1643 he assumed the surname Kip. This could be described as a "dit" name, since there were several others in New Amsterdam and New England with the surname Hendricksen and also another tailor Hendrick Jansen Snyder, sometimes referred to as Hendrick the tailor.

This conclusion is supported by a recently found reference in a 1909 book “History of the City of New York in the Seventeenth Century,” by Mrs. Schuyler Van Rensselaer. In Chapter VII she talks about variations in names used in New Amsterdam and she comments “For instance, the first bearer of a name now honorably known in many parts of America was a tailor whose signature for years was Hendrick Hendricksen but afterwards Hendrick Hendricksen Kip – kip meaning a hen or the band that ties a bundle of dried fish.”

Knickerbocker’s History of New York also has an interesting story about Hendrick. He may have been given the surname Kype, Kyp or Kip by his friends. Kip means "chicken" in German, but Hendrick was anything but that as he stood up to authority.

The motto on the Kip crest that appears in many books "Vestigia nulla retrorsum" means Footsteps not backward or Never go back.

However, the family has used the surname Kip or Kipp since about 1643 so I do not think we are about to change.”

Bibliography:

American Genealogy, Being A History of Some of the Early Settlers of North America and Their Descendants, from Their First Emigration to the Present Time, & Etc. By Jerome B. Holgate. Albany, NY: Joel Munsell. 1848. 

The Pictorial Field-Book of the Revolution & etc. By Benson J. Lossing. In two volumes. Vol. II. New York, NY: Harper & Brothers, Publishers. 1851.

Manual of the Corporation of the City of New York, for 1852. By D.T. Valentine. New York, NY: George P. Putnam. 1852.

Cyclopedia of American Literature & etc. By Evert A. Duyckinck and George L. Duycjinck. In two volumes. Vol. II. New York, NY: Charles Scribner. 1866.

Historical Notes of the Family of Kip of Kipsburg and Kip’s Bay, New York. Privately printed. Albany, NY: Joel Munsell. 1871.

Contributions to the History of the Kip Family of New York and New Jersey. By Edwin R. Purple. New York, NY: Privately Printed. 1877.

American Family Antiquity. By Albert Welles. Vol. II. Kip Family. New York, NY: American College for Genealogical Registry and Heraldry. 1881.

Contributions to the History of Ancient Families of New Amsterdam and New York. By Edwin R. Purple. With additions by Samuel S. Purple. New York, NY: Privately Printed. 1881.

Abstract of Title of Kip’s Bay Farm in the City of New York, & etc. Also Early History of the Kip Family and The Genealogy as Refers to the Title. By John J. Post. New York, NY: S. Victor Constant. 1894.

Famous Families of New York. & etc. Vol. I. By Margherita Arlina Hamm. New York, NY: G.P. Putnam’s Sons. 1902.

History of New Netherland or New York Under the Dutch. Vol. I. Second Edition. By E.B. O’Callaghan. New York, NY: D. Appleton & Co. 1855.

History of New Netherland or New York Under the Dutch. Vol. II. Second Edition. By E.B. O’Callaghan. New York, NY: D. Appleton & Co. 1855.

Documents Relating to the Colonial History of New-York; Procured in Holland, England and France. Vol. I. By John Romeyn Brodhead. Edited by E.B. O’Callaghan. Albany, NY: Weed. Parson and Co., Printers. 1856.

Transcripts of Documents in the Royal Archives of The Hague. Holland Documents: VIII – XVI. 1657-1678.

Transcripts of Documents in the Queen’s State Paper Office. London Documents: I – VIII. 1614- 1692.

Original Narratives of Early American History. Narratives of New Netherland 1609-1664. Edited by J. Franklin Jameson. New York, NY: Charles Scribner’s Sons. 1909.

History of the City of New York in the Seventeenth Century, by Mrs. Schuyler Van Rensselaer. Vol. 1, New Amsterdam. The MacMillan Co. New York. 1909.

History of the Kip Family in America. By Frederic Ellsworth Kip. Assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley. 1928.

America Heraldica. A Compilation of Coats of Arms, Crest and Mottoes of Prominent American Families Settled in This Country Before 1800. Edited by E. De Valecourt Vermont. Brentano Brothers. New York. 1887. PP. 13 (Plate 1), 16.

An Armory of American Families of Dutch Descent, by William J Hoffman. New York Genealogical & Biographical Record. V 64. N. 1. Jan. 1933. PP. 3-7.

Knickerbocker’s History of New York, by Washington Irving. W.B. Conkey Co. Chicago. 1848. Project Gutenburg. EBook. 2004. Book 1, Chapter 4.

This does seem like a good stopping point in the known information for Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and Part II will appear in the next issue. 

6. Letters to the Editor

This section will be available to anyone wanting to write to the Editor. 

7. yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families

Project Statistics

Big Y     3

Distinct Y-DNA Confirmed haplogroups   6

Family Finder    21

Paternal Ancestor Information  24

Total Members  40

Unreturned kits   4

Y-DNA Deep Clade (after 2008)   3

Y-DNA Deep Clade (prior to 2008)  1

Y-DNA12     17

Y-DNA25     25

Y-DNA37     15

Y-DNA67     12

Y-DNA111     6

My husband also tested at Living DNA and 23 and Me where his kit was further defined as R-Z326. 

Interestingly, many members of the group with the Kip-Kipp surname belong to R-L48 as does Edward. Downstream from L48 there are three groups listed by FT DNA - L47, Z30 and Z326 with ages respectively 2300 BC, 2200BC, and 1400BC. Looking at Living DNA results coverage for R-Z326 Netherlands 35%, England 35%, Germany 25%, Denmark 25%, Norway 25%, Belgium 25%, Scotland 15%, Sweden 15%, Austria 15%, Switzerland 13%, France 7%, Poland 7%. The epicentre appears to be the Netherlands and England with the percentage dwindling as you move away from the Netherlands towards the west and southwest very quickly and a little slower as you move towards the east and north. 

Interpreting this should be very cautious but one is left to think that this haplogroup has come from the east migration wise concentrating in the Netherlands (and England) with diminishing numbers in the east as the haplogroup moved west. Given the age of the three subgroups of L48 this time period precedes the expansion of the Roman Empire and perhaps implies that this group was already there when the Romans moved into the area especially given the apparent or less than 7% presence of the group in Italy and the diminished percentage in Switzerland, Austria and France. Indeed that is the claimed route of the founders for R as it moved out of Africa, into the Middle East and further east before making a turn back towards Europe from southern Russia. 

Of special interest is the Lichtenstein Ice Cave, discovered in 1972, near Dorste, Lower Saxony, Germany. D. Schweitzer, PhD did publish a summary of his PhD in English (PhD 2006 Georg-August-University, Gottingen, Germany) and the link is:

http://dirkschweitzer.net/LichtensteinCaveAnalysis0804DS.pdf 

  I have extracted this from the article and Sample C is N18407 at FT DNA which is Edward’s kit. The distance from Droste, Germany to the town which was said to be the birthplace of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip is just under 100 km. I do find that quite amazing. The age of the samples tested was based on the samples of material found in the cave giving a regional time period of 1000 to 700 B.C.E (Before the Christian Era) and hence 3022 to 2722 years ago. Unfortunately a C-14 analysis to determine the age of the bones was not reported in his dissertation.

Looking at the time period 3000 years ago Europe was in the Neolithic Period and it is postulated that the indigenous communities had adopted agriculture with domestication of animals preceding that. The communal burial site perhaps also helps to place this as single burial sites were starting to be commoner in this time period. 

The full thesis is available in German at this link:

http://webdoc.sub.gwdg.de/diss/2006/schilz/schilz.pdf

A search did not reveal any further research in this Ice Cave. Returning once again to the discussion under Who is Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and trying to locate the town where Hendrick Hendricksen Kip was born. 

I am into the political times of the day in The Netherlands in the early 1600s in my thinking. It was a time of unrest as the Holy Roman Empire slowly dissolved and became the countries that we know today. France was dominating the area although the article that I found showed the Prince-Bishop of Munster (Christoph Bernhard von Galen) up against  Lieutenant General (Carl von) Rabenhaupt. Rabenhaupt was recruited by the Dutch in 1671. Getting back to the 1600s though which is the real interest time period and it comes at the end of a century or more of economic prosperity for the Low Countries as they are known (The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg). The last years of the 1500s and the early years of the 1600s are marred by a series of conflicts with the Spanish Hapsburg rulers. In 1581, this area became an independent state known as the States General or the Dutch Republic. In 1609 the Twelve Years' Truce brought the Dutch Republic into its Golden Age which lasted from 1609 - 1713 and saw the Dutch Republic ranked as one of the most powerful and influential in the world. This was the time of emigration to the Americas and the Dutch were at the forefront establishing New Holland (large parts of present day New York State) and New Amsterdam (now New York City). Many living in the Dutch Republic were interested in emigrating and Hendrick Hendricksen Kip with his wife and six children were amongst those who did. 

Having found a likely location for the birthplace of Hendrick (Niewenhuys) which lies in present day Germany albeit a little square block of land that sticks into the Dutch countryside; I have not yet found a map that shows anything different with regard to this small area of land. Since he did move to Amsterdam and was prosperous there as far as is known, one assumes he was likely Dutch. His yDNA places him in the Frisian ethnic group (i.e. living within 100 km of Amsterdam). What does within 100 km of Amsterdam look like?

Cities  within 98- 100 km of Amsterdam - Boxtel, Den Helder, Brielle, Druten, Waalwijk, Arnheim, Heudsen, Oud-Beijerland and interesting enough all of these cities are in The Netherlands. What can I learn about the Frisians? They lived along the seacoast and were there before the Roman Empire expanded. As the North Sea rose towards the end of the first millenium the Frisians moved inland, although this area again became populated after diking and the people were called Frisians, there seems to be some doubt that this was a large return of the earlier population.

Interestingly you can clearly see on this map (red arrow) the square block of land on the eastern border of The Netherlands where this small village was located that the Betrothal Notice stated as being the birthplace of Hendrick Hendrixsz. These borders were pretty fluid in this time frame and it was more of a matter of who controlled the land. I still have no idea on that other than the pieces from a book and the London Gazette discussing a war in 1674 wherein the Dutch controlled that particular town quoted earlier in this newsletter. 

Edward tested his DNA at 23 and Me, Ancestry, FT DNA, Living DNA and it was uploaded to My Heritage. He also tested at Ethnoancestry and Sorenson. At 23 and Me Edward is said to belong to Z-326 and share an ancient ancestor (10,000 years ago) with King Louis XVI.

Ethnicity at tested DNA sites:

23 and Me Ancestry FT DNA Living DNA My Heritage

French & German 87.9% 28.6%

Germanic 43% 40.8%

England/N.Europe 38% 71.4%

Scandinavian 7.7% 29%

Great Britain 53%

British & Irish 2% 59.1%

Sweden & Denmark 8%

Norway 7%

Scotland 2%

Wales 2%

Central Europe 4%

Basque 6%

Looking at Edward’s eight great grandparents – Paternal: great paternal grandfather (Kipp - Dutch); great paternal grandmother (Force - English/French); great maternal grandfather (Schultz - north east Germany); great maternal grandmother (Nieman - north east Germany); Maternal - great paternal grandfather (Link - USA-German); great paternal grandmother (Rathbun - USA-English); great maternal grandfather (Allen - USA-Dutch); great maternal grandmother (Parlee - USA-French Huguenot). Edward does have some Loyalist ancestry with his Link, Allen and Parlee lines and a number of the further back ancestors in the Allen and Parlee lines were English Dissenters early to the American Colonies. The Link came in the 1740s to the Mohawk Valley and again married descendants of English Dissenters. So depending on the data sets used Edward's ethnicity results are going to be coloured by these early groups to the American Colonies. Living DNA, My Heritage, FT DNA and Ancestry do tend to show a higher percentage of English than 23 and Me. When I do a manual percentage analysis at the 5x great grandparent level I obtain 30% German, 30% Dutch, 15% French, 10% English, 5% Scandinavian and 5% Scot. 

I will discuss the actual yDNA study at FT DNA in the next newsletter within the bounds of confidentiality requested by FT DNA. 

8. Next Issue

The next issue is planned for the 1st of May 2022. Anyone wishing to submit an article/letter to the editor please send to Elizabeth Kipp (kippeeb@rogers.com). 

The Kipp-Kip Family Newsletter

 I have completed the Kipp-Kip Family Newsletter and a link will be published on the Kip-Kipp yDNA study at FT DNA on the 1st of February. 

Continuing with the political times in the 1600s in The Netherlands

 I am into the political times of the day in The Netherlands in this time period in my thinking. It was a time of unrest as the Holy Roman Empire slowly dissolved and became the countries that we know today. France was dominating the area although the article that I found showed the Prince-Bishop of Munster (Christoph Bernhard von Galen) up against  Lieutenant General (Carl von) Rabenhaupt. Rabenhaupt who was recruited by the Dutch in 1671. Getting back to the 1600s though which is the real interest time period  and it comes at the end of a century or more of economic prosperity for the Low Countries as they are known (The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg). The last years of the 1500s and the early years of the 1600s are marred by a series of conflicts with the Spanish Hapsburg rulers. In 1581, this area became an independent state known as the States General or the Dutch Republic. In 1609 the Twelve Years' Truce brought the Dutch Republic into its Golden Age which lasted from 1609 - 1713 and saw the Dutch Republic ranked as one of the most powerful and influential in the world. This was the time of emigration to the Americas and the Dutch were at the forefront establishing New Holland (large parts of present day New York State) and New Amsterdam (now New York City). It can be understood that many of the Dutch were interested in emigrating and Hendrick Hendricksen Kip with his wife and six children were amongst those who did. 

Having found a likely location for the birthplace of Hendrick which lies in present day Germany albeit a little square block of land that sticks into the Dutch countryside; I have not yet found a map that shows anything different with regard to this small area of land. Since he did move to Amsterdam and was prosperous there as far as is known, one assumes he was likely Dutch. His yDNA places him in the Frisian ethnic group (i.e. living within 100 km of Amsterdam). What does within 100 km of Amsterdam look like?

Cities  within 98- 100 km of Amsterdam - Boxtel, Den Helder, Brielle, Druten, Waalwijk, Arnheim, Heudsen, Oud-Beijerland and interesting enough all of these cities are in The Netherlands. I sort of rest my case. What can I learn about the Frisians? They lived along the seacoast and were there before the Roman Empire expanded. As the North Sea rose towards the end of the first millenium the Frisians moved inland, although this area again became populated after diking and the people were called Frisians, there seems to be some doubt that this was a large return of the earlier population.

Interestingly you can clearly see on this map the square block of land on the eastern border of The Netherlands where this small village was located that the Betrothal Notice stated as being the birthplace of Hendrick Hendrixsz. These borders were pretty fluid in this time frame and it was more of a matter of who controlled the land. I still have no idea on that other than the pieces from a book and the London Gazette discussing a war in 1674 wherein the Dutch controlled that particular town. 

Edward tested his DNA at 23 and Me, Ancestry, FT DNA, Living DNA and it was uploaded to My Heritage. He also tested at Ethnoancestry and Sorenson. At 23 and Me Edward is said to belong to Z-326 and share an ancient ancestor (10,000 years ago) with King Louis XVI.

Ethnicity at tested DNA sites:

23 and Me

99.9% European

87.9% French and German (this includes the area in the border area above where the town of Niewenhuys was located)

7.7% Scandinavian

2% British and Irish

Ancestry

43% Germanic Europe

38% England and Northwestern Europe

8% Sweden and Denmark

7% Norway

2% Wales

2% Scotland

FT DNA

100% European

53% England, Wales and Scotland 

29% Scandinavia

4% Central Europe

6% Basque

3% Greece and Balkans

2% Italian Peninsula

3% Magyar

Living DNA

59.1% Great Britain and Ireland

40.8 Germanic

My Heritage (Ancestry results uploaded)

71.4% English

28.6% North and West European

I always find the Ethnicity Results interesting for Edward with only 23 and Me capturing what we would calculate as his likely Ethnicity. Looking at his eight great grandparents (two came directly from Germany), paternal great paternal grandfather (Kipp - Dutch); paternal great paternal grandmother (Force - English/French); paternal great maternal grandfather (Schultz - north east Germany); paternal great maternal grandmother (Nieman - north east Germany); maternal great paternal grandfather (Link - USA-German); maternal great maternal grandmother (Rathbun - USA-English); maternal great maternal grandfather (Allen - USA-Dutch); maternal great maternal grandmother (Parlee - USA-French Huguenot). Ed does have some Loyalist ancestry with his Link, Allen and Parlee lines and a number of the further back ancestors in the Allen and Parlee lines were English Dissenters early to the American Colonies. The Link came in the 1740s to the Mohawk Valley and again married descendants of English Dissenters. So depending on the data sets used Edward's ethnicity results are going to be coloured by these early groups to the American Colonies. Living DNA, My Heritage, FT DNA and Ancestry do tend to show a higher percentage of English than 23 and Me. When I do a manual county at the 5x great grandparent level I obtain 30% German, 30% Dutch, 15% French, 10% English, 5% Scandinavian and 5% Scot. One addition that could be made to Ethnicity Results would be an idea of what time period one is looking at and 23 and Me does do that.

 

The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

 Finally back to working on the newsletter. I hope to complete the first issue by the end of next week and will publish it on this blog as well as on the yDNA study at FT DNA for the Kip-Kipp family. I added a new section:

 3.    Beginnings …..

My first introduction to the Kipp family history was during a visit to Edward’s uncle Howard Kipp in June 1966. He had a picture on the wall which was actually a genealogical chart and my recollection is dim these days although I rather think it is in his records now. The chart began with Isaac Kipp and Hannah Mead and then under that their eleven children were listed. There the memory ends. I can not particularly remember if there were spouses for these children or grandchildren listed. I have not seen the chart for many years but if it reappears as I work my way through I will scan it and put it into an issue of this newsletter.

That was basically the beginning of Edward’s conscious research into his Kipp family and for many years he only worked on the Kipp family until his mother gave him a huge stack of pictures for her Link family and suggested that he also do her family. But the beginning was interesting. Edward quickly found out about the Family History Centre and now that we had a car he could easily go and spend a bit of time there on his family history. Edward had never been to the United States except on a field trip with the Chemistry group and initially we did not go there but finally he had exhausted all available resources here (visits to family members/local historians and local repositories were most of that effort) and we headed south in 1973 to Albany to see what we could find. His uncle knew that his family was from New York State and mentioned Dutchess County. After Albany Dutchess County was our next stop on that trip. We did make many trips to this area but never found the record he desired which was the birth of his Isaac Kipp verified (1 Nov 1764) and his marriage to Hannah Mead the 29th Aug 1790. These dates were in the Family Bible which also listed all the children and their dates of birth.

There were other Kipp families who did not appear to trace back to the Kip family of New Amsterdam and he also researched those lines to a certain extent but could not find any record that would link his Isaac to these Kipp lines either. Then yDNA arrived and he tested in 2005. A match soon after with a known descendant of the Kip family of New Amsterdam was greeted with great joy. He finally had his answer and could concentrate on the Dutchess County area and so he did. This is a compilation of what he did find as the Newsletter continues until I am able to pass it to another. 

Looking back now on those early years, I got to see the area where Edward grew up and the people that he knew there. They were all very fond of him and, perhaps because his father died when he was two, told him many stories about his father which he enjoyed. But these few years before we moved to Ottawa were full of many repository trips to local municipal holdings and the Toronto Archives (I did use to bring along a book to read to be honest). But I cheered him along whenever he found something exciting to share and, as we discovered, I could easily read these old records and I did transcribe them for him as he found the handwriting difficult. So a little knowledge seeped in way back then but not a great deal of interest unfortunately. I do not have any American ancestry so could not really get thoroughly interested plus he would have this all done for his children I did think at the time!

 And I added in material under the next item namely

 4.    History of The Kip Family in America

Fortunately for the Kip Family in America another earlier researcher put together an extensive family genealogy book “History of The Kip Family in America” by Frederic Ellsworth Kip of Montclair, New Jersey and assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley of Morristown, New Jersey and was published in 1928 at Boston by Hudson Printing Company. It is available on Internet Archive:

https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt

The following appears at the front of the book:

“The compiler when twenty to twenty-two years old (1882 to 1884) worked on the Kip Genealogy, and obtained considerable data. This material, during the past eight years (1920 to 1928) has been edited and augmented by the genealogist, Miss Margarita Lansing Hawley.

“Researches have been made in Holland, Great Britain, France, and in all of the places in the United States connected with the Kip family.”

Edward did enter all of the information in this book into a genealogy program (Legacy) and it can be found on the World Connect website:

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual

I also created another item for the Table of Contents.

5. What do we know about Hendrick Hendricksen Kip the emigrant?

This will be my day's project working away at number 5 as I pull out the data which he collected. It is now four pages long and I shall have to decide a likely size for the newsletter and rather think I will not let it exceed 15 to 20 pages per issue. 

I believe I will work on individuals within the family as that is how Edward's material is arranged. Beginning with the emigrant does permit me to also go back to Amsterdam and the records there. The father of Hendrick appears to also have been Hendrick and that is all that is known about him. As I work through the material I will also find the two brothers and a sister listed in the Legacy family. I will also add these individuals to this first section if they appear in his research that I will be looking at or another time when I find them. Interestingly the sister appears to have married an Englishman 7 Sep 1619 and they lived in Amsterdam. I have not seen that before actually but it is more than 11 years since we actually worked together on his family history. Regretfully now I chose to work on my own family DNA which he thought I should do as well but this lost close contact with his work will make it more difficult for me to find items.