Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023

 I did complete the next issue of the Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023 and will publish it on the 1st of August. It did end up writing itself which was handy as I have reached an end to useful information that I can write into the newsletter from my memory. I could go back through and read everything but it was taking me too long and I do not have Edward's thoughts with regard to each and every individual item. The mantle must be taken up by another eventually but for the moment it will likely become reduced in size and simply contain any information on the DNA study. 

Y-700 results in

I did post the Kip-Kipp Newsletter on the 1st of May, Volume 2, Issue 2, 2023 on the DNA website for the Kip-Kipp yDNA study at FT DNA.

The results for Y-700 are  in and his haplogroup has been updated to R-FT245480. His matches show ancient Norwegian and more modern Netherlands ancestry with his emigrant ancestor to New Amsterdam/New York being from The Netherlands and arriving circa late 1630s - early 1640s. More information on this in the next Newsletter due 1st of August 2023. Since this is the first Y-700 test on the Kip-Kipp line it will be interesting as predictions have been made that this line was Viking. 

 

Continuing thought on the Kipp Newsletter

 The Kipp Newsletter is mulling around in my brain as I think about sections that I could add on the yDNA. There are two distinct migrations into the now United States with the Kip family arriving in the 1630s from Amsterdam and coming to what was then New Amsterdam and now New York and the second group coming from Germany and their surname was mostly spelled Kipp. Over time the surname Kipp dominated for all including Edward's line. However, there is a distinct difference between the DNA of the two lines. 

I feel that I should add a yDNA section to the Newsletter and will do that. More people testing their yDNA would be handy just to see if we can pinpoint the correct family for Isaac Kipp. He is likely coming down in the Isaac Hendricksen Kip line (the second son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and Tryntie Lubberts) but finding that elusive link proven to be an impossibility although Edward certainly made a good try at that. The published book has many incomplete lines dating back into the 1720 to 1740s which could easily be the father of Isaac Kipp. Many records were destroyed in the Dutchess County area during the Revolution unfortunately. Going back to the Town Halls was interesting but not conclusive. 

I can go back to thinking about this full time as I have now completed my Blake Newsletter for publication on the 1st of January.

Kipp Newsletter

I have been giving a lot of thought to the Kipp Newsletter and believe that I will begin on the 1st of February 2022. Not sure what the first issue will be but I am tempted to publish all of Edward's research on the early family in Holland. Will think about that for a bit. 

Kipp research and original material

 Regretfully in 2011 I did make the decision to move away from helping Edward with his research so much in order to concentrate on my own. However, as I work through some of his the memory of what I had done with him from 2004 to 2011 is coming back to me. I was deeply involved with some of his research and it is that part that was some of the most difficult to construct that I will not likely give away until it is clear to me how it flows. I need all the pieces in order to think about it. My older daughter is also taking some interest in it and with her help we may be able to solve some of these mysteries that surround some parts of his research particularly into the Kipp family. I will surrender all the original pictures which he collected particularly of the homesteaders in British Columbia and Ontario to whichever archives chooses to have the material but they are all scanned and not of use to me plus they can do a much better job of preserving them and making them accessible to other Kipp researchers. 

Working on the Kipp family material

I thought I might get to one of the boxes of Edward's research for his Kipp families and others this past week but the leaves took all my time and energy. Plus I cleaned the basement and so the time passes by quickly. 

I need to write the couple of letters with regard to all the old images since they are all scanned and we are interested in the scanned images only. I gave all the originals for my families to my younger sister as they are then accessible to everyone there. Mostly my family does collect there and it was just practical and I really do not want to be the holder of family original material although I do still have some but will eventually give it all to my younger sister. Her family tree is about ten times the size of mine as that is more her interest - building the family tree. My interest lies more in a search through the records for our family line as it moves backwards. That also includes the maintenance of the large DNA database of matches. 

I may now take over Edward's DNA work until my older daughter retires. He managed his in a different way but will probably convert it over to my method as it involves fewer letters to people and less maintenance in the long run. He liked emailing back and forth with his relatives but I found it was eating into my research time and did not get involved with it to any large degree.

 

Kipp Newsletter

I am seriously considering creating a Kipp Newsletter for distribution to the Kipp yDNA Study. I would start the Newsletter but will be looking for someone to take over this study in the near future. Although I have mostly maintained it through the years, I have quite a bit of material of my own family lines to work through. I do not intend to do any new research on the Kipp family but one of my daughters may consider that in the future. I will write to the Kipp member that my husband asked me to write to early in this year. I just found I could not sit down and organize my thoughts in the short periods of time when I was not busy with Edward in those last few months of his life. He was not going to offer any input so I put it on hold and it has remained there until now as I begin to think once again about how to handle the personal research that my husband has done through his 50+ years of genealogical research. He has accumulated a lot of material and I need to sort through all of that and find permanent homes for it that would be accessible to people. There remain about 35 to 40 boxes for me to work on (some large and some small). I have an inventory on some of them but mostly they are into family lines which will be helpful. All of the pictures are scanned to the best of my knowledge and I will ensure that that is the case before I give any of it away.

It is a massive task and I must get started at it in December. At least I now have a start date! As my own research is starting to flow once again I am better able to establish a working day that permits me to work on my studies and the publication of his material and then assignment of the original material to an Archive or family member. He actually preferred that I give it all to family members but in some cases he has accumulated a vast number of original images that are pertinent to early families in particular areas of Canada and I think that I should put these into an Archive - I will investigate that with Library and Archives Canada and take their opinion on whether to move to smaller archives in the area in which the material is especially pertinent. 

Kipp material - Silva Kipp and Yvonne Labelle

I received an email on my Ancestry account concerning a tombstone in one of the local Ottawa cemeteries for Silva Kipp and his wife Yvonne Labelle.  Two possibilities exist for this Kipp member - he is descendant of Richard Kipp (a brother to my husband's great grandfather Benjamin Kipp) or he is descendant of the Loyalist Kipp family which came to the Montreal area during the American Revolution. I could not find him in Edward's trees but will mention the dates for Silva (1880-1968) and his wife Yvonne (1896-1989). Apparently there are three other names on the stone. If that is of interest to anyone.

Edward's Genealogy Library

Edward's Genealogy Library is now passed to the Ontario Genealogical Society Ottawa Branch. It will take a while to incorporate these books into their library at the City of Ottawa Archives. Initially I had thought I would first offer them to Library and Archives Canada but they do tend to prefer Canadian material in their collection which is understandable being the National Library. Although some of his books fitted into that category I did not want to break up the collection so I did not pass the list to them to look at after all. However, I will put together all of the Kipp family material that he has collected of Canadian origin so that I can offer that to them and give it a permanent home. He has a lot of pictures of the Kipp families who went west and were amongst the first settlers in many regions of western Canada. He also published a genealogy of this family which is already in Library and Archives Canada. I would make it free and open access with no limitations so that another keen Kipp researcher can also make full use of all of his material. That will take me a bit of time to put that all together but I may put it at the front of my agenda once I am into doing that work. First we need to organize the house so that I can get back into research eight hours per day. We were both doing about six to eight hours of our own research each day broken up into various working periods through the day along with all of our exercise before COVID-19 struck.

 

Kipp DNA project

Edward managed his Kipp DNA project and it was very rewarding for him in that it proved his line back to the emigrant Kip line of New York that arrived in the 1630s in what was then New Amsterdam in New Holland from Amsterdam, Holland (The Netherlands). I really did not have a lot to do with his project and now I need to figure out what to do with that project. Last December perhaps it was he mentioned that he had had an email from a Kipp who lived in Paris, Ontario interested in the DNA so perhaps I shall contact him to see whether he would like to take over the project.  I did do the organizing of the data into groups and have helped him with the Family Finder results which is rather lucky probably. But passing it on to another Kipp enthusiast is perhaps the best way to handle that project. Our daughters will not pass on the yDNA so it ends with him in terms of his father's line. His cousins have sons so they will continue the line and have done so although I do not actually know any of them that well. We moved to Ottawa 46 years ago and our trips back although frequent were strictly to close family most of the time and that was mostly grandparents although we did see our siblings most of the time as well. 

However, I will mention it on this blog in case there is someone who is really keen to get involved as having more than one person on a project is a really good idea. 

The exciting part of the yDNA project for Edward was proving his line back to the New York Kip family and then he managed to take it back to The Netherlands and the area where this family lived before living in Amsterdam. There are other Kipp families in North America and they descend from the German Kipp line that emigrated to the United States in the 1740s. 

Link Family artifacts

Unless I find more items, the Link Family artifacts have found a new researcher to expand and manage that Family line for Edward. His parent's surnames were Kipp and Link and then one generation back Kipp, Schultz and Link, Allen. 

There is an active Allen family research group and I may ask if they would like the Allen material that Edward accumulated. They were a United Empire Loyalist family arriving in the Maritimes at the end of the American Revolution and settling in New Brunswick. They arrived in Ontario later in the 1800s. 

I have a lot of Kipp material that pertains to the Kipp Family book that Edward published. I have asked Library and Archives Canada if they wish to have the picture collection and I need to prepare that submission. The Kipp family were settlers from Dutchess County arriving in Ontario in 1800 from there some members went west and were early settlers in Chilliwack BC. 

A lot of work to do and there are still about 30 boxes of Ed's research for me to work on. I will not do any new research as it is over ten years since I helped him so I am not in touch with his last decade of work. I am a custodian and will pass it on to other researchers in his family lines via this blog. 

The Schultz material I will pass to his Schultz cousins as time passes. 

I will maintain his DNA work as I did that mostly for him. Eventually I will pass that on as well but for the moment I will keep analyzing new matches and adding them to his records. 

WW I Howard and Fred Kipp

In memory
My uncles Howard and Fred Kipp served overseas in WW I. This picture shows them meeting overseas either in England, perhaps at Seaford, or somewhere in France. They both returned home.

Howard and Fred Kipp                                                                                         Howard Kipp

In memory of my father Lorne B Kipp (1901-1945).

In memory of my father Lorne B Kipp (1901-1945).

He did not fight in the war but served at home.

This article was published in The Ottawa Genealogist, Vol. 48, No.1. P. 24. January-March 2015.

Soldiers of the Soil

by Edward Kipp

By 1917, farm labour shortages led Canadian authorities to ask older children and adolescents to help.  The Soldiers of the Soil initiative was run by the Canadian Food Board and it encouraged adolescent boys to volunteer for farm service.  In exchange for their farm labour, for at least three months or more, they received a Soldiers of the Soil badge acknowledging their service.

I have had one of these badges in my possession for a number of years and wondered what it was for and who it was given too.  The badge came from my Grandmother Kipp's estate.

After reading what I could find out about this program, I have decided that it must have been given to my father Lorne B. Kipp.  By 1917, he was 16 years old and at an age where he could have signed up for the military.  His two brothers had joined the military already, Howard in 1914 (age 20) and Fred in 1917 (age 18).  Lorne was active in assisting his father with the farm and would later look after the farm after his father William Henry Kipp died in 1921.

Sources:

Canadian War Museum.  www.warmuseum.ca/firstworldwar/history/life-at-home-during-the-war/the-war-economy/farming-and-food/  Website accessed December 17, 2014.

Chilliwack Museum.  www.chilliwackmuseum.ca/research-a-more/history-a-heritage/31-youth-a-agriculture/51-soldiers-of-the-soil  Website accessed December 17, 2014.

Manitoba Historical Society.  www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/mb_history/17/soldierofthesoil.shtml  Website accessed December 17, 2014.

Coffin Plate - George Benham M.D.

Coffin or Casket Plate/Plaque

George Benham M.D.

I have had this item in my possession for many years and never gave it much thought. This is a coffin plate for George Benham M.D. Died April 9th 1887, aged 47 years. (Aug. 1840 - April 9, 1887).
He was the husband of Calista Emery Kipp January 30, 1846 to June 13, 1911. [My 1st cousin twice removed. Descended from Richard Titus Kipp, a brother to my great grandfather Benjamin Kipp]
They lived at Princeton, Ontario.

Coffin plates are decorative adornments attached to the coffin that contain genealogical information like the name and death date of the deceased. Generally made of a soft metal like lead, pewter, silver, brass, copper, zinc or tin. The different metals reflect the different functions of the plates, or the status and wealth of the deceased. For a basic funeral, a simple lead plate would be lettered with the name, date of death and often the age of the departed, and nailed to the lid of a wooden coffin.

In the late 1840s the first machine made coffin plates began to appear. At first they were simple shapes stamped out of a flat piece of metal. The industrial manufactured coffin plates of course had no names on them. They were in fact just blanks that were intended to be engraved by someone in the local community such as a jeweller or undertaker. As such the quality of the engraving varies wildly.

In North America the same time that the use of coffin plates was increasing in popularity the practice of removing the plates from the coffin before burial increased. Often the Coffin Plates were never attached to the coffin but displayed on a stand or table next to it. The coffin plates were removed to be kept as mementos by the loved ones of the deceased.

Annals of Old Manhattan 1609-1664

Annals of Old Manhattan 1609-1664. Julia M. Colton. New York. 1901.

On p. 157, in the footnote, Hendrick Hendricksen Kipp is mentioned as one of the Council of Nine Men,  appointed by the Honorable Peter Stuyvesant from a group of the "most notable, reasonable, honest and respectable men" chosen by the residents of Manhattan, Breuckelen, Midwout (Flatbush), Amersfoort (Flatlands), and Pavonia.

Happy New Year and may 2018 be a great year

Some fireworks from early in December on Parliament Hill, Ottawa, Canada. Light Across Canada.

It is to cold to actually go down to Parliament Hill tonight at midnight to see the real fireworks.

As one of my cousins pointed out recently, no matter what happens keep moving forward.
As a matter of fact that is really what the Kip Family motto means. I translates as Never Go Back.

200 Ancestor Hints (Shaky Leaves at Ancestry)

Have a look at my Wife's post on her blog  English Research from Canada.

200 Ancestor Hints (Shaky Leaves at Ancestry)
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2017/12/200-ancestor-hints-shaky-leaves-at.html

Where does Chauncey Kipp fit into the Canadian Kipp Families?

Where does Chauncey Kipp fit into the Canadian Kipp Families?

In my years of research on the Kipp families in Ontario, I came to realize there were at least two Kipp families in Southern Ontario.

One of these was my family, the descendants of Isaac Kipp and Hannah Meed (Mead), who generally lived in the area of Blenheim, Blandford, East Oxford and Burford Townships.

The other family, descendants of John (James) Kipp and Lydia McPherson, I call the Tillsonburg Kipp Family.  In general they lived in the southern part of Oxford County in the Dereham Township area and in areas further west such as Middlesex and Elgin Counties.

After doing some DNA testing, we determined that the two families are related.  The problem is the furthest back ancestor we can identify in each family comes to a dead end in the paper trail in New York State.  Both families are related to the Kip/Kipp family of New Amsterdam (New York) (determined through DNA testing).

The Tillsonburg Kipp family can be traced back to John (James) Kipp (cir 1770-cir 1828) and Lydia McPherson (cir 1774-?).  Of their children, there are two of interest.

Henry Kipp (cir 1800 - ?), married Rachel Ann Wintermute (1794-?), on June 23, 1827 at Queenston, Upper Canada.  One of their children was Chauncey Kipp (1828-1876) (1861 & 1871 Census of Canada), who married Lucinda Thompson (1837-1912) cir. 1855.  Resided in Middlesex County, Ontario.

William Kipp (1790-1856), married Rachel Mann (1794-1857) cir 1818, probably in Upper Canada.  They had a son named Chauncey Kipp (1834-1918) (1851 Census of Canada), who married Sara Jane Laur (1840-1918) on Dec. 10, 1859.

Family of Isaac Kipp and Hannah Meed

They had a son named Jonathan Kipp (cir. 1792-1831), who married Roda or Rhoda Chausey (cir. 1795-?), cir. 1818.  I have only found one child for them named Sylvanus Kipp (1819-1889), who married Lorena Bush (1820-?) on May 13, 1842 at Woodstock, Canada West.  They do not seem to have had a son named Chauncey.

Please contact me if you have additional information.

Hendrick Hendricksen [Kip]

A reminder. The following blog posts deal with Hendrick Hendricksen [Kip]

Have a look at two of my blog posts and two of my web site posts on Hendrick Hendricksen [Kip]

http://americancanadianancestors.blogspot.ca/2014/01/the-de-kype-family-story-what-should-we.html

http://americancanadianancestors.blogspot.ca/2013/12/knickerbockers-history-of-new-york-and.html

http://kipp-blake-families.ca/AncestryofHendrickHendricksenKiptheFounder.pdf

http://kipp-blake-families.ca/HendrickKipWill1671.pdf

I have also added a new file to my web page    http://kipp-blake-families.ca/kipfam.htm


Baptism of Children of Hendrick and Tryntje in Amsterdam

A Netherlands researchers indicated that this family was not using surnames in 1624. He has also provided information on the baptism of six children in Amsterdam by 1636.
(Cor Snabel – 17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/742574/Index).
Go to this web site and look for Hendrick Hendricksz Kip in the Navigator panel.

50th wedding anniversary tour of the British Isles

If you would like to read about our 50th wedding anniversary tour of the British Isles go to this link.
Written by Elizabeth.

http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2016/09/50th-wedding-anniversary-tour-of_6.html