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The
Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter
Table
of Contents
1. The
Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter
2. Edward
Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS
3. History
of The Kip Family in America
4. What do we know about Hendrick Hendricksen Kip the emigrant (Part 2 – 1643 -1685)?
5. Letters
to the Editor
6. yDNA
study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families
7. Next
Issue
1. The
Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter
The third issue of this newsletter and I feel a certain momentum as it evolves.
I think what is helpful for me is that I do not have preconceived ideas about
the Kip/Kipp family and can work directly from the information that Edward
collected without any preconceived notions. I did assist him on occasion
extracting information from film but followed a research pattern that he
designed. His interest in Kipp grew exponentially as he discovered via his yDNA
that he did descend from the Kip family of New Amsterdam/New York. That changed
his focus somewhat and he left his investigation of the descendants of the
various Kipp families in his local area to look at the overall Kip/Kipp family
descendants in the 1700s and 1800s. Hence I do find that his trees for his
lines in the present are not necessarily complete plus he did not trace down
female lines in the present consistently – depended on his interest or whether
he was trying to find something. Discussions with Kipp descendants in his area
I was present at and did take notes in those early days as he was trying to
find hints of the ancestral line thought to have lived in the 1700s/1600s in
Dutchess County, New York. I have refrained from mentioning the Newsletter on
line other than in his Kip/Kipp yDNA study as I do not want a lot of emails in
the present trying to connect back to his line in Oxford/Burford Counties of
Ontario. I do not intend to continue his research beyond what he has done but
will leave that with my daughters in the future if it interests them.
2. Edward
Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS
Edward started to write
his family story (after much prodding by me but only in the last couple of
months before he passed away – I had been suggesting it since I had started
writing my own back in 2012!). However, what he did share was an interesting
look at a child who grew up in a household that included his mother and a
brother eight years older. I would say that he gradually grew used to the idea
of being fatherless but it was a painful experience and perhaps that memory of
a father who cared for him 24/7 from the time he walked at ten months until his
father passed away when he was two years and two months of age was there in his
subconscious and it was very hard to let go. His mother commented to me when we
were first married that he looked for him constantly as a small child and it
did help somewhat when they moved to the house where he grew up away from the
farm and all the familiar sights of those early years. He was about 2 and a
half when they moved. He had five first cousins which must have been helpful
for him as he grew up in the small village that had seen a Kipp family living
there since the early 1800s.
Phyllis Margaret (Link)
Kipp, Allen Charles Kipp, Edward Burnice Kipp and Lorne Bernice Kipp (circa
1945).
This picture of Edward as
a toddler with his mother and older brother was found by him when he went
through his mother’s hope chest shortly after he retired in 2004. She had
passed away in 2000 but he had not opened the chest and gone through it before
then. The picture itself had gotten caught on a piece of wood at the bottom of
the chest and was upside down. I could hear the thrill in his voice as he
called me to come and see the picture when I arrived home from work. It is the
only picture of Edward with his father (and entire family for that matter). We
scanned it and made several glossy new copies one of which was on his bulletin
board above his desk. For him that was a pinnacle of his study to find that
picture. Edward is wearing his baptismal suit so can probably be dated 22 Apr
1945 (his father was an Elder at Princeton United Church) when Edward was just
two years of age. It is possible that it was earlier than that but the picture
was undated although I recognized this as the little suit which we still have
from his baptism.
3. History
of The Kip Family in America
https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual
This website on Roots Web is still accessible but the entire listing is also on
the website which Edward created:
In World Connect, search
the "jump to a specific database" field for edwkipp8
I need to decide if I
should do more with the material in this earlier history. Should I publish
parts of it? It is a mystery at the moment as the book is on Internet Archive
but there are pictures in the book and presumably they are out of copyright
since it was published in 1928 but will check on that.
Fortunately for the Kip
Family in America an earlier researcher put together an extensive family
genealogy book “History of The Kip Family in America” by Frederic Ellsworth Kip
of Montclair, New Jersey and assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley of
Morristown, New Jersey and was published in 1928 at Boston by Hudson Printing
Company. It is available on Internet Archive:
https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt
4. What
do we know about Isaac Hendricksen Kip (2nd son of Hendrick
Hendricksen Kip) ?
First of all Isaac Hendricksen Kip was the second son of Hendrick Hendricksen
Kip and Tryntje Lubberts. I have omitted the eldest son Abraham who was
christened 6 May 1625 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, The Netherlands. No further
information was found for Abraham and will leave that to another Kip researcher
to solve as a mystery.
Isaac Hendricksen was baptized 10 Jan 1627 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, The
Netherlands. His death is mentioned as Jul 1678 in New Harlem, New York City.
He married Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers 8 Feb 1653 in New Amsterdam, New
Netherlands (this area was still a Dutch Colony at the time of his marriage).
Edward’s notes for Isaac in Legacy Family Tree:
Isaack. He was baptized at the New Church, Amsterdam, Holland, on Jan 10, 1627,
and came to the Dutch Colony of New Amsterdam with his parents. He was admitted
to the Rights of a Great Burgher in New Amsterdam on April 11, 1657, but unlike
his father and brothers did not enter upon a political career. The only office
he held in New Amsterdam was that of stamper, to which he was appointed Feb.
20, 1674, and on Oct. 27, 1675 he was nominated for magistrate of New Harlem.
He was a yacht Captain engaged in river trade between New Amsterdam and the settlements
at Esopus (Kingston) and Fort Orange (Albany). His descendants settled in
Rhinebeck.
Isaack Henrixsz, baptized
January 10, 1627 in the Nieuwe Kerk in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland. Father Henrick
Henrixsz. Mother Trijntje Lubberts. Sponsor is Jan Henrixsz, possibly a brother
of Hendrick Hendricksz. DTB 040p377. FHL
Indexing project C90037-2. Film # 113144.
Sources:
1. 17th
Century Hollanders
http://17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/63040141/Hendrick%20Hendricksz%20Kip
This
particular document has original documents of the marriage Isaack’s parents and
a listing of the children which includes mention of Isaack.
2. Contributions
to the History of the Kip Family of New York and New Jersey, by Edwin R.
Purple, 1877. This book can be found on Internet Archive.org:
https://archive.org/details/contributionstoh1877purp
The image below is taken
from page 10 of this particular book.
3. Historical
Notes of the Family of Kip of Kipsburg and Kip's Bay, New York, by William Ingraham Kip, 1871.
Page 10: “Isaac. He had
large landed property in the city, including what now forms the Park. Nassau
street was then called Kip street, in honor of him and is so laid down in the
early maps (Jerome B Holgate, American Genealogy being a history of some of the
early settlers and their descendants, from their first emigration to the
present time with their intermarriages and collateral branches etc, 1851, p.
112). “ The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Volumes 7-8 on page
72 also has a writeup for Isaac Hendrickszen Kip. However mention is made that
Nassau Street below Maiden Lane was named Kip Street as a compliment to Jacob
Kip (brother of this Isaac). But the two publications do provide some
interesting information that Nassau Street between now named Ann Street and
Spruce Street “was originally called Kip Street after one of the family.”
4. Continuing
with William Ingraham Kip’s book: “In 1657, ‘in conformity to the laudable
custom of the city of Amsterdam in Europe,’ the Great Burgher Right was
introduced into New Amsterdam, by Gov. Stuyvesant. It was the selection of
about twenty families who formed the Great Citizenship, the members of which
alone were eligible to the public offices, while the rest of the citizens were
in the Small Citizenship. In the list of the Great Citizenship are found the
names of Hendrick and Isaac Kip (J. Paulding,
Affairs and Men of New Amsterdam: in the time of Governor Peter
Stuyvesant, p. 87). “ I did find it rather interesting that there is a Hendrick
Kip, junior also mentioned establishing that Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (father
of these two men) was still in New Amsterdam in 1657.
5. History
of The Kip Family In America, by Frederic E. Kip and Margarita L. Hawley,
1928. No.2, p. 36, 39.
Page 36 of Frederic Kip’s
book has recorded the baptism of Isaack as 10 Jan 1627 with his death in July
1678. Pages 39 to 43 of this same book include details on Isaac including his
marriage to Catalyntje Hendrick Snyers and lists their seven children:
Hendrick, Tryntie, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (died young), Jacob and Johannes.
This book is available on
Internet Archive:
https://archive.org/details/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/page/42/mode/2up
6. Collections
of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol. 1.
Volume 1 includes
Marriages in the Dutch Church, New York 11 Dec 1639 to 26 Aug 1801. Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New
Amsterdam and New York. The Marriages from 11 December 1639 to 26 August 1801,
edited by Samuel S. Purple, MD, New York, 1890. p. 18. Feb. 8 1653.
Isaac Hendrickszen Kip, en Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers.
7. The
Register of New Netherland 1626 to 1674. By E.B. O'Callaghan. Clearfield Co.,
Baltimore, MD. 1995.
Page 174 of this
particular book prepared by Edmund B. O’Callaghan is a list of the Great
Burghers named in 1657 with Hendrick Kip and Isack Kip named on the 11th
of April and Hendrick Kip, junior named on the 17th of April in the
year first mentioned.
8. Calendar
of Dutch Historical Manuscripts in the Office of the Secretary of State Albany,
New York 1630-1664, by Edmund B. O'Callaghan, The Gregg Press, Ridgewood, NJ,
1968.
9. P.
382. Land Papers, Vol. H.H., p. 56. June 21, 1656. Patent. Isaac Kip; lot in
the Sheep pasture, New Amsterdam.
10. American
Family Antiquity. Being an account of the origin and progress of American families, traced from their progenitors in
this country, connected with their history abroad. Illustrated with portraits
and emblazoned coats armorial. Vol. II. KIP. Albert Welles. American College for Genealogical
Registry and Heraldry. New York. 1881. New York Public Library.
An interesting discussion
about this set of books by Albert Welles on a WikiTree page describes his works
as being fraudulent. Welles had a particular interest in coats of arms and
heraldry but was apparently notorious for fabricating aristocratic pedigrees. Although
these can not be supported by evidence the article goes on to say that they
should be consulted to ascertain and document the origins of pedigrees and
other genealogical details in order to ensure they are discarded as being
fraudulent. This would appear to be the source of the information in Frederic
Ellsworth Kip’s book on the Kip Family of America. The book is available in
electronic form at: https://archive.org/details/americanfamilyan00well/page/n29/mode/2up
11. Descendants
of Isaac Hendricksen Kip and Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers 1st
generation)
Family Group Record for
Isaac Hendricksen Kip
=================================================================
Husband: Isaac
Hendricksen Kip
=================================================================
Born: Jan 1627 - Amsterdam,
Noord-Holland, Netherlands
Christened: Jan 10, 1627 - Amsterdam,
Noord-Holland, Netherlands
Died: Jul 1678 - New Harlem, NY
Buried:
Father: Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (Cir
1600-1685)
Mother: Tryntje Lubberts (Cir 1599-After
1665)
Marriage: Feb 8, 1653 Place: New Amsterdam, New
Netherland
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Other Spouse: Maria Vermilye (1629- )
Date: Sep 26, 1675 - New
Harlem, NY
=================================================================
Wife: Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers
=================================================================
Born: Abt 1632 - New Amsterdam, New
Netherland
Christened:
Died: Bef Sep 26, 1675 - New Harlem,
NY
Buried:
Father: Hendrick Janszen Snyder (Abt
1604-1647)
Mother: Geertje Scheerburch (Abt
1608- )
=================================================================
Children
=================================================================
1 M
Hendrick Kip
Born: 1654 - New Amsterdam, New
Netherland
Christened: Feb 8, 1654 - New Amsterdam,
New Netherland
Died: 1713
Buried:
Spouse: Annetje Jans Van Putten
(1659-1732)
Marr. Date: Bef 1678
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 F
Tryntie Kip
Born: Sep 1656 - New Amsterdam, New
Netherland
Christened: Sep 13, 1656 - New Amsterdam,
New Netherland
Died: Aug 28, 1727
Buried:
Spouse: Philip De Foreest (1652-1727)
Marr. Date: Jan 5, 1676 - New Amsterdam,
New Netherland
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 M
Abraham Kip
Born: Aug 1659 - New Amsterdam, New
Netherland
Christened: Sep 3, 1659 - New Amsterdam,
New Netherland
Died: Jun 1731 - Albany, NY
Buried: Jun 28, 1731 - Reformed Dutch
Church Cem., Albany, Albany Co.,
NY
Spouse: Gessie Van der Heyden (Cir
1667-1748)
Marr. Date: Oct 16, 1687 - Albany, NY, USA
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 M
Isaac Kip
Born: Jun 1662 - New Amsterdam, New
Netherland
Christened: Jun 15, 1662 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland
Died: Apr 8, 1750 - New York, NY
Buried:
Spouse: Sarah De Mill (1663-1727)
Marr. Date: Oct 20, 1686
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5 M
Jacob Kip
Born: Nov 1664 - New York, USA
Christened: Nov 19, 1664 - New York, USA
Died: Beg 1666 - New York, USA
Buried:
Spouse:
Marr. Date:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6 M
Jacob Kip
Born: Aug 25, 1666 - New York, NY
Christened: Aug 29, 1666 - New York, NY
Died: Feb 28, 1733 - Kingston, Ulster
Co., NY
Buried:
Spouse: Rachel Swartwout (1669-1746)
Marr. Date: 1695 - Albany, NY, USA
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7 M
Johannes Kip
Born: Jan 1669 - New York, NY
Christened: Jan 20, 1669 - New York, NY
Died:
Buried:
Spouse:
Marr. Date:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
=================================================================
12. The
y-DNA matches tend to support the possibility that Edward’s 2x great
grandfather Isaac Kipp (born 1 Nov 1764 in New York State) was a descendant of
Isaac Hendricksen Kip. His 2x great grandfather can be found on the 1790 census
living next door or with Jonathan Mead. Isaac was married to Hannah Mead 29 Aug
1790 (all records according to Richard Kipp’s Family Bible).
With Isaac Kipp on this
census is his wife Hannah (under the column Free White Female). Their eldest
son Isaac was born in 1790/91 according to the census of 1800. The family
members listed with Jonathan Mead (three males under 16 and four females) does
lend support to the argument that this was Jonathan Mead (the Cooper III).
Jonathan Mead and his wife (thought to be Sarah Thompson) had ten children with
Hannah being the sixth born (11th Aug 1770). But this continues a
work in progress although not being pursued by the editor. Of note, the first
census in the United States (1790) took place beginning 2nd Aug
1790. On the basis of that, it is perhaps not presumptive to assume that Hannah
was the daughter of this Jonathan Mead and the census taker could not resolve
the idea that one was supposed to resolve the data to the 2nd of
August when Isaac and Hannah married the 29th of August and just
found it easier to record them together as he would likely have found them when
the census was actually taken (perhaps after the marriage had occurred). But it
is an interesting thought to explain the discrepancy. The birth records and marriage records have
not been located by my husband in spite of many visits to Northeast Town area.
These records were in the Family Bible of one of the sons of Isaac and Hannah –
Richard Titus Kipp. The census of 1800 taken at Rensselaerville NY shows the
Kipp family (Isaac, Hannah and four children) on their way to southwestern
Ontario where they arrived in the Fall of 1800. This census shows Isaac Kipp
with three sons under 10 years of age, 1 son 10 to 16, and himself 26 to 45 and
then his wife 26 to 45. At this time there were actually five sons with the
second eldest (Jonathan b 1792) appearing to remain with his grandfather
Jonathan Mead at Northeast Town. The other sons were Isaac (b 1790/91), James
(b 1793), John (b 1795), and David (b 1797).
Census day was 4th
August 1800 which does leave one to think that likely Isaac was born in 1790
and one is left to wonder at the accuracy of the marriage date but I will leave
that for another researcher. I myself saw the dates in the Richard Kipp Family
Bible but they were written in the same hand as information at a later date. The
material on the left hand side of the image below does appear to have been
written in the same hand although whether it was at the same time is difficult
to assume.
The marriage date was
entered for Isaac Kipp and Hannah Mead possibly in 1830.
The next issue will look
at another one of the sons of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. This issue a little
longer but decided to add in the census and Bible pages for Edward’s 2x great
grandparents.
5. Letters
to the Editor
This section will be available to anyone wanting to write to the Editor.
6. yDNA
study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families
Project Statistics
Big Y 3
Distinct Y-DNA Confirmed haplogroups 6
Family Finder 21
Paternal Ancestor Information 24
Total Members 41
Unreturned kits 4
Y-DNA Deep Clade (after 2008) 3
Y-DNA Deep Clade (prior to 2008) 1
Y-DNA12 17
Y-DNA25 15
Y-DNA37 15
Y-DNA67 12
Y-DNA111 6
I may wait until I have results for Edward’s testing (I am still trying to
decide which test to do) before commenting further on the yDNA study in
general. The Kip family of New Amsterdam was not the only Kipp family in the
1700s in the United States and more discussion on these early families will
also be forthcoming as Edward did spend time looking at these lines.
7. Next
Issue
The next issue is planned for the 1st of October 2022. Anyone
wishing to submit an article/letter to the editor please send to Elizabeth Kipp
(kippeeb@rogers.com).
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