Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 4, 2023

  The Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 4, 2023 is published on the Kip-Kipp yDNA website at FT DNA. It is three pages in length and deals primarily with yDNA results. 

Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023

 The Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023 is published on the Kip-Kipp yDNA website at FT DNA. I have reached this point earlier than I initially thought in terms of publishing the Newsletter. I suspect it will now shrink to one or two pages as I am busy revising and editing a publication on another surname. 

Two years have passed now since the death of Edward and not having our daily breaks where we talked about his research primarily as I tend to be a listener rather than a talker I find that I can not at my own age of nearly 78 manage two large studies. My own study is with the Guild of one-name studies and concerns my parent's surnames. My younger sister maintains what I would label a genealogical study of our family whereas my interest lies in the surnames and the path back without really going sideways very often which is more of a genealogical study. 

We continue working our way through Edward's research boxes and the number is decreasing (estimated around 20 to 25 and these boxes are no longer full to the top). We have given away some of the records especially original images in particular lines and a set of records has gone to the Museum in his home town. We need to now put together the sets of data for two areas - one is Kipp and in particular the Kipp descendants of Benjamin Kipp and Elizabeth Force who went west and were amongst the earliest settlers in Chilliwack BC and the other set is for the Allen, Folkins, Parlee families of New Brunswick who were Loyalists coming out of the New England/New York area at the end of the American Revolution to settle in what became New Brunswick.. We need to contact the two archival repositories in BC and NB to see if they are interested in this collection of original images. In the case of the Kipp images they were all published in a book which Edward produced in the mid 1970s and a deposit copy is already in their institution so that the images could simply become a Fonds related to that publication so that the images are available to researchers. The Loyalist group is heavily studied and maintained in New Brunswick and we hope that they too would add this set of images to their collection. That is next summer's project. 

I will continue publishing the journal in hopes that at some point another member of the study will take it on along with the yDNA study itself. But I am not in a rush to remove myself although age will eventually catch up to me. Time does tend to be the hero in these types of studies as one does need space to take on such a commitment and there is plenty of that still. 

Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023

 I did complete the next issue of the Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 3, 2023 and will publish it on the 1st of August. It did end up writing itself which was handy as I have reached an end to useful information that I can write into the newsletter from my memory. I could go back through and read everything but it was taking me too long and I do not have Edward's thoughts with regard to each and every individual item. The mantle must be taken up by another eventually but for the moment it will likely become reduced in size and simply contain any information on the DNA study. 

Y-700 results in

I did post the Kip-Kipp Newsletter on the 1st of May, Volume 2, Issue 2, 2023 on the DNA website for the Kip-Kipp yDNA study at FT DNA.

The results for Y-700 are  in and his haplogroup has been updated to R-FT245480. His matches show ancient Norwegian and more modern Netherlands ancestry with his emigrant ancestor to New Amsterdam/New York being from The Netherlands and arriving circa late 1630s - early 1640s. More information on this in the next Newsletter due 1st of August 2023. Since this is the first Y-700 test on the Kip-Kipp line it will be interesting as predictions have been made that this line was Viking. 

 

Kipp Newsletter completed

 The Kipp Newsletter Volume 2 Issue 2 is completed and will be published on the Kip/Kipp site at FT DNA on the 1st of May. 

 I completed the Kipp Newsletter day before yesterday but it came with a surprise. I have not worked on Edward's DNA matches since he passed away. The time simply escaped me and it was hard to fit it in. He has so many matches on the many testing sites (most of his ancestors (except for three who came in the 1800s - one from Norfolk, England (1832) and two from the Mecklenburg-Strelitz area (1849 and 1867) of present day Germany) were in the Royal British colonies and New Holland (Dutch colonies) beginning in 1620 with the later ones coming in the early 1700s (mostly by 1710)). But last issue of the Kipp Newsletter I had talked about looking at his autosomal matches on ancestry. There has likely been several hundred or more new additions to his site and with the new technique of separating into paternal and maternal there was a different way to look at these matches as I have learned on my own site and those of my siblings on ancestry. Not having any really close relatives testing, Edward had often sought to persuade cousins to test and had been successful with some.  He was trying to find his Kipp line back to Hendrick Hendricksen Kip since the yDNA matched known descendants. The reach back was in actual fact into the mid 1700s because his 2x great grandfather Isaac Kipp was born in 1764 which is pretty far back for just a 2x great grandfather but he was lucky as he was descended from the youngest sons in two generations. There were four rather interesting 4th to 6th cousin matches that were not in his Ancestry file. One of them was descendant of Isaac Kipp and Hannah Meed his 2x great grandparents so eliminated. The other three were all descendant of the second eldest son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and two of the three cross matched with Edward. The amount shared quite phenomenal for likely sixth cousins (28 cM and 22 cM). Given that Ancestry does eliminate DNA in common with their software package TIMBER this is likely a larger match. Edward did inherit a substantial amount of Kipp DNA in the cross between Kipp and Schultz although likely in the 25 to 30% range. The system is complicated because a Kipp male married a Schultz female and a Schultz male married a Kipp female so that his second cousins in that line are all double second cousins making the data difficult to manage. The match itself is significant because it is large. Shared that with my eldest last evening and she is keen to work on that when she has time. It was a dream of her father to find that elusive line back to Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. There are a number of Isaac Kip lines and other sons coming down that do not reach into the mid 1700s so one of them perhaps. Isaac Hendricksen Kip and his wife Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers were the parents of six sons and one daughter. He had placed the possible connection in this family line calling the line DNA-3 Kip as he felt it would be three steps back to this match from his 2x great grandfather. Definitely more to do as there are a number of matches in common with these two individuals and I have not yet looked at other matches within the 4th to 6th cousin range. My first search into the new matches was quite amazing. Although Ancestry does not provide any chromosomal details the size of their database and their search engine do make the results quite interesting and manageable in a different way from the chromosome matching. 

I continued today working on his 23 and Me matches and again in two years the number of matches greater than 1% shared has increased rapidly and more than half of the first page of matches needed to be painted in DNA painter today and I will work a little on that over the next couple of weeks. The complication for me is not knowing the families that well and the Kipp/Schultz of his paternal grandparents being first cousin with his paternal grandfather being Kipp and his paternal grandmother was a Schultz. One of Edward's Grandfather Kipp's brothers Alfred's daughter Elizabeth married the brother of his paternal grandmother Schutz and the children were then first cousins once removed and second cousin once removed so very close making it hard to distinguish between the Kipp and Schultz lines. I may remove them from the DNA Painter chart and only include Kipp that is not descendant of Kipp-Schultz and the same with Schultz. His tree is large but it is not an easy challenge given that I do not know the families that well. 

I know that I can not do my surname research and Edward's genealogy but I will try to keep it up to date in as much as possible until my oldest daughter retires as she has an interest slowly growing - not quite ready yet to really get into it but time will tell. 

Kipp Newsletter to come

 It never ceases to amaze me how fast time passes. It is just over two weeks since I last posted on Edward's blog. 

In between cleaning today I shall think about the Kipp Newsletter once again and it is getting harder and harder to work on. I do not know the Kipp family other than what Edward told me but I have his research and want to be sure that all of it is out there. He put hours into collecting up all the data. I think a lot of it is but this will put it all in one place in his study group. I need to look at the yDNA results. There were several Kip/Kipp families in the United States and most people are interested in whether they descend from the 1630s-1640s Kip family emigrants to New Amsterdam (now New York) or the Kipp families who arrived from Germany in the 1730s-1740s. They do not appear to be the same family (yDNA) mostly because the Kip family surname was an addition to the Hendrick Hendricksen's name; the earliest emigrant in the Kip family of New Amsterdam and not surprisingly he was from The Netherlands. Although his birth place in The Netherlands, it  was very close to the present day German border and this territory passed back and forth somewhat. The Kipp family that came in the 1700s actually have Kipp as their surname and one of the actual descendants of the German Kipp family has tested his yDNA (he and his line are still in Europe) which has been rather handy and let it be possible to separate for sure the Kip family of New Amsterdam/New York from the German Kipp families who came at a later date. I should actually put this section into Edward's blog and will do that later today. So probably, as there are new people coming into the project, I should look at the DNA project there. He did that himself for the most part although did help with the grouping when he asked me (I love working with data and appear to have a good handle on doing that but I am a numbers person). 

This is the time of year that Edward most loved; planting and growing season. Mid-march would see the seed catalogues on his desk and then mid-April setting up the growing lights and then the seeds planted in their peat pots and under the lights. Watching them every day so that he could move the lights upward as the plants grew. 

On to the day and it looks like rain somewhat and it is expected but for sure cloud. It is three degrees celsius at the moment.

This month's work

 My older daughter is acquiring an interest in all of this work and with her background is ideally suited to taking it all over eventually. I should leave her some exciting work to do! I think genealogy is rather a field that can be painstakingly slow but with great rewards from this slow methodical extraction of data. I would say she is  more interested in the people aspect and would like to finish up her Dad's pursuit of his Kipp ancestor known to be descendant of the Kip family of New Amsterdam/New York. Isaac Kipp was born 1 Nov 1764 but his parents remain unknown. He married Hannah Mead/Meed 29 Aug 1790 and she was born 11 Aug 1770. All of this is thought to be in New York State (possibly in Northeast Town where they are found on the census in 1790 living next door to or with Jonathan Mead (the Cooper III). On the 1800 census Isaac and Hannah are at Rensselaerville, New York and they arrived in southwestern Ontario in the fall of 1800 seeking land as settlers (they had four of their five sons with them (Jonathan appeared to have been left behind with his grandfather)). The yDNA for Edward matches the yDNA of known descendants of the Kip family of New Amsterdam/New York. Edward has a huge amount of data on the Kip/Kipp family and I occasionally dip into the DNA results and continue his collection of that data but have left the rest for another. I will keep up the Kipp Newsletter that I started (and she helps me when she is here) and this time it is a continuation of  the children of the emigrant Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and it will be Volume 2 Issue 2. That is this month's work.

Kip-Kipp Newsletter Volume 2, Issue 1, 2023 posted to the website

The next issue of the Kip-Kipp Newsletter is posted to the FT DNA yDNA study website. 

 

Kip-Kipp Newsletter, Volume 2, Issue 1 completed

I have the next issue of the Kip-Kipp Newsletter completed. I have changed it up just a little as I found it was taking me longer than expected to complete it each time. It will be published on the 1st of February 2023.