Friday, April 22, 2011

Kipp-Kip-de Kype family

Kipp-Kip-de Kype family
Posted by my wife Elizabeth on her blog. Monday April 18th, 2011

My husband has been researching his paternal line for over forty years (Kipp-Kip-de Kype family). The published work on this family that is generally referred to is History of The Kip Family In America, by Frederic E. Kip and Margarita L. Hawley, 1928 (Private printing). Unfortunately my husband did not find the name of his ancestor Isaac Kipp (born 1 Nov 1764, New York, USA (and thought to be Dutchess County)) in the book but there are many lines that are not traced down. He has spent a great deal of time tracing down the many lines and now has a nine generation chart on his webpage for the Kip(p) family of New Amsterdam there as well as worldconnect. Fortunately yDNA arrived and he was able to connect himself back to the Kip family of New Amsterdam by matching people who could trace back with a paper trail (paper genealogy is still most important).

Attending the New England Regional Genealogical Conference has been in the back of our minds for a number of years and we finally did make it there this year. He attended sessions that pertained to New England and New York records for the most part. It is interesting to hear what others have to say on the subject of these records. I think for myself it is the first time that I have had a glimmer of understanding of how people do do their genealogy when they trace back to the 1600s in New England! I have to date found it very very difficult but in my case that isn't a problem at all since I do not have any ancestors on this side of the Atlantic prior to 1818 when my Routledge family arrived (except for a short stay in Halifax in 1807 by my George Lawley when he served with the Royal Welsh Fusiliers (then the 23rd Regiment of Foot)).

Back to the Kip(p) family and there is an extra bit of interesting genealogy just to make the pursuit ever more exciting. There were three Kipp emigrants from Germany arriving in the 1750s and naturalized in Pennsylvania who spell their name Kipp and with the movement about these families have been confused with the New Amsterdam Kip(p) family. Certainly Ed wondered until he did his yDNA whether he too was a descendant of the German Kipp families. We now have four distinct lines of individuals who trace back to German Kipp families and we are now researching those
lines in terms of locating their emigration point and their naturalization point. Gradually we will see the lines appearing in the census as well so that we can to a certain extent assist people as they search for their ancestral line.

I went onto to spend a day looking at the Kipp family and discovered that the Poughkeepsie Journal is scanned and on this site from the earliest days (prior to 1800!). That will be a tool that might assist my husband with his research. The family lore coming down through the Richard Titus Kipp family (brother to my husband's great grandfather) was that the family had come from Dutchess County New York, The census of 1790 (Isaac Kipp married Hannah Mead 29 August 1790) lists an Isaac Kipp over 16 and in his household there is a female. They are listed beside or with Jonathan Mead (thought to be Jonathan Mead the cooper (and he would be the III, his father was the II cooper and his father the I cooper) and four lines down Nathaniel Mead known to be the brother of Jonathan Mead the Cooper III. Isaac Kipp is missing from the 1800 census at Northeast Town but does appear to be at Rensselaerville, NY and the family there is listed as 4 members under 16 and 2 members over 25. Isaac was born in 1764 so he would now be 36 and Hannah was born in 1770 and she would be 30. They had five living sons by 1800 (Isaac b 1791, Jonathan bc 1792, James bc 1793, John bc 1795 and David b 1797) but one son Jonathan is thought to have not come to Ontario with them - he was known to be in Ontario by the late 1810s. Jonathan Kipp would appear to be with his Mead grandparents on the 1800 and 1810 census. The naming is interesting in that Jonathan would be the forename of Hannah's father and John the forename of the furthest back ancestor on the Mead side before the other two Jonathans. We are left to contemplate was the name of Isaac's father Isaac and his grandfather Jacobus (James)? The name David occurs in the Mead family. On arrival in Ontario, the first known daughter Elizabeth was born just a month after their arrival followed by Phoebe in 1802, Susannah in 1805, Richard Titus in 1807, Benjamin in 1811 (my husband's great grandfather) and Daniel in 1813. We continue searching out these families.

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