Continuing with the purchase from ebay of a researcher studying the Crum family

 Still continuing with the images of this research done by a family member (it was the husband of a Crum descendant who produced all of these charts). I do not have any information on this individual other than what is in the chart. Edward purchased the material because it mentioned Kipp and he decided that it would be good to look at it in case it furthered his research into the Kip/Kipp family of New York.

I believe there are five images left of all of this material. Unfortunately it had been stored for rather a long time in an area where it picked up a lot of odour and we did photograph all of this material outside wearing masks and gloves. I hope that if it valuable to a reader than you can glean important material from it that may be lacking however I also realize that it may just be redundant to many Crum researchers but in the pursuit of not destroying old records I decided to publish what was of value genealogically.

This material was not sold by the individual who created these charts. It was in the disbursement of his estate that this particular lot of material was placed on ebay. 

Good luck with your research.

More images of the Crum family records purchased on ebay

If you require a better image please do let me know and I can put a link to the original image on my website.
 

Crum / Krom family

 More images from the ebay purchase:

I do not have any information other than what you can see. If copying them does not let you view them as well as you would like let me know and I can add a link to this page so that you can download it from my website.

Indexing the archival boxes

I found yet another picture of Edward that had not been scanned. The clothing dates back to an earlier time but the photo appears to be Edward and not his father whom he closely resembled. 

More images from the ebay purchase

Time has escaped me as I meant to put these images up online from the Crum family much sooner. I think transcribing them slows me down as I already have so much to do. Instead I will put them up and if you have a question please write to kippeeb@rogers.com and put Crum family in the subject line. That will work better I think. I did find that if I simply copied the image and then took it into powerpoint and enlarged it that I could read it very well. 

 

I think this will likely be a large blog file so will just put up three at a time. But this should be speedier. 

Another picture of Edward discovered

 I am doing an inventory of the Archival Boxes which Edward created (I want to check with LAC both here in Ottawa and with the Archival Library for the Province of British Columbia to see if either  of them want all of this material - the Kipp family were early settlers (1800) in Oxford/Burford Counties in Ontario and in British Columbia (Chilliwack). He did publish a history of this family (copy at LAC) and the original images of this family are still in these archival boxes. I found a lovely picture of him as a young child in this first Archival Box I have been working on which I have scanned as it seemed to be missed from the large group of pictures that I scanned for him in 2019 and 2020 (he had not scanned his own pictures at that point). He would be about 2 and one half years old in this picture and I think he is living at the home where he grew up after his father passed away (about three months earlier) but it could also be one of the buildings around the farm. 

Making an inventory of the archival boxes has proven to be an enormous task as this first box took me two hours and I am about to break for lunch. I have all the vacuuming done but still need to dust and scrub, and vacuum down the stairs. I believe I will work on these archival boxes every Monday as it is hard work since I am not that familiar with the pictures in his ancestral line but fortunately he has put pictures into the Legacy family file which has been excellent. I need to check to make sure that all of them have been scanned but for the most part I suspect that will be the case as he spent a lot of time scanning his work. 

As I settle into my task of publishing Edward's research, I hope to have more articles on his blog. 

Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter, Volume 1, Issue 4

The latest issue of the Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter, Volume 1, Issue 4 is published on the Kipp yDNA study website. This issue discusses Jacob Hendricksen Kip, son of the immigrant Hendrick Hendricksen Kip to New Amsterdam/New York in the latter part of the 1630s or early part of the 1640s. 

Again I will place the text in this blog but the images will not show. 

 The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

Table of Contents

1. The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

2. Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS

3. History of The Kip Family in America

4. What do we know about Jacob Hendricksen Kip (3rd son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip) ?

5. Letters to the Editor

6. yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families

7. Next Issue

1. The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

The last issue of Volume 1 and it is a year since I first thought about doing a Kipp Family Newsletter. It is now a year and a half since Edward passed away. Time doesn’t really dim the memory of Edward but does dim the memory of his illness and how difficult it became towards the end of his life. Living in the midst of COVID and trying to protect him from all of that, the memory of those last months have faded now. Mostly I remember all the lovely trips that we took together after I retired in 2008. Edward retired in 2004 but he was only interested in trips on the North American continent. When I finally persuaded him after many years actually (I first went to Europe in 2001), he loved it once he got back home again and six months had passed. He couldn’t wait for the next overseas tour to begin. And so began our booking for particular trips and then preparing our plan for sightseeing around the areas where we were in different hotels on the tours. It worked so very well and we saw a number of items not included on the tour in the big cities that we stayed in. Luckily the hotel choices were often in the midst of the older parts of the cities filled with ancient buildings.  We were in the midst of planning a trip to Germany which would include The Netherlands for a short stay in Amsterdam. Edward was in touch with a researcher there that would help to take us through the records of the Kip family held there. Edward’s father Lorne Kipp’s parents were William Henry Kipp and Ida Caroline Wilhelmina Schultz.  The Kipp family having their roots in Amsterdam (at the time that they came to the New Amsterdam colony in the 1630s) and the Schultz family having their roots in Mecklenburg-Strelitz from where they came in 1866 (Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Schultz) and 1849 (Wilhemine Fredericka Johanna Niemann). We were busy learning German to help us on that tour around Germany but Edward’s illness had progressed and traveling became out of the question by the end of 2019 so we did have to cancel although we continued working on our German if it happened that there was a change that would permit him to make the trip. 

2. Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS

Edward and I were working on his family story in late 2020 and early 2021. I had tried for a few years to get him to write a story of his life for our children but he was busy with all his projects and did keep putting it off. Finally we began to work on it together and that was working fairly well although it is much shorter than I had hoped we might get written. I had written my story and it is now over 2000 pages to be honest but 1800+ pages deal with both of us from the time we first started dating until now.  When I sat with him in the hospital one time I told him that I would rename the story as Our Story since I had created the story in parts (Part 1 is my childhood) so Parts 2 to where ever I end up can be Our Story. 

Edward’s favourite picture was taken in 2004. He is sitting in the Canadian Institute for Scientific and Technical Information building at the National Research Council, Ottawa, Canada where he worked before retirement (for nearly thirty years). Although trained as a scientist (he had his PhD in Inorganic Chemistry, a Postdoc in Environmental Chemical Engineering) he did end up then going back and doing his MLS (masters in library science) and working at the library on the National Research Council Montreal Road Campus in Ottawa. 

 

Although, having graduated in science myself, I would have enjoyed his continuing to work as a scientist but jobs just weren’t there. But the one thing I really noticed as the time away from the laboratory passed was that he didn’t have a cold all the time. So in the long run it did appear that he was healthier working in the library environment. For that, I was quite content. I would have said he missed being a scientist but he did love working in the library as well.

3. History of The Kip Family in America

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual 

This website on Roots Web is still accessible but the entire listing is also on the website which Edward created:

https://wc.rootsweb.com/ 

In World Connect, search the "jump to a specific database" field for edwkipp8

Fortunately for the Kip Family in America an earlier researcher put together an extensive family genealogy book “History of The Kip Family in America” by Frederic Ellsworth Kip of Montclair, New Jersey and assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley of Morristown, New Jersey and was published in 1928 at Boston by Hudson Printing Company. It is available on Internet Archive:

https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt 

4. What do we know about Jacob Hendricksen Kip (3rd son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip) ?

Jacob Hendricksen Kip was the third son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and Tryntje Lubberts. 

Jacob Hendricksen was baptized 25 May 1631 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, The Netherlands. His death is mentioned as 24 Dec 1690 at Kip’s Bay, New York City. He married Maria de la Montagne 8 Mar 1654 in New Amsterdam, New Netherlands (this area was still a Dutch Colony at the time of his marriage). 

Edward’s notes for Jacob in Legacy Family Tree:

Jacobus Hendricksen Kip was born in Amsterdam, Holland, and emigrated to America with his family. He began his political career in 1647, when only sixteen. He was a clerk in the Provincial secretary's office at New Amsterdam. As early as 1650 he was acting clerk in Director Stuyvesant's Council. In 1650, he was a Deputy Secretary. On Jan. 27, 1653, he was appointed the First Secretary of the Court of Burgomasters and Schepens in New Amsterdam. January 12, 1654, Burgomasters allowed Jacob a salary of 200 Guilders a year as Receiver of the City revenue.

Jacob Kip resigned the office of Secretary, June 12, 1657, and engaged in brewing, combining with this business that of a general trader or storekeeper. November 29, 1655, he was appointed Vendue Master to Court of Orphen Masters and he was a member of the Board of Schepens in 1659, 1662, 1665, and President of the Board in 1674. After the English conquest of New Netherland in 1664, the Burgomasters and Schepens named their own successors, and Jacob was chosen Schepen in 1665. Jacob was an Officer of the City Militia, having been commissioned Lieutenant by Governor Lovelace on May 1, 1668.

Jacob was the ancestor of the Kip's Bay, New York and Worchester County, N.Y., Kip Families. The original patent was for the land was granted by Francis Lovelace, Governor, &c., to Jacob Kipp on April 15, 1671. Jacob built a house at Kip's Bay in 1655 (current spot 2nd Ave and 38th Street NYC). This house was erected in 1655; the bricks of which were imported from Holland. It was a large double house, with three windows in a row on one side of the door and two on the other, with one large wing. House was torn down in 1851 to make way for progress.

Jacob, baptized 25 May 1631 in the Oude Kerk in Amsterdam. DTB 006p306

Sponsors are Herman Heynrix, probably another brother of Hendrick Hendricksz and Sara Willems, unknown.

Sources:

1. 17th Century Hollanders (online site)

http://17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/63040141/Hendrick%20Hendricksz%20Kip 

2. History of The Kip Family In America,  by Frederic E. Kip and Margarita L. Hawley, 1928.  No. 3, p. 36, 44. (see Item 3 above).

3. Contributions to the History of the Kip Family of New York and New Jersey, by Edwin R. Purple, 1877, 44 pages.

https://archive.org/details/contributionstoh1877purp 

4. Historical Notes of the Family of Kip of Kipsburg and Kip's Bay, New York, by William  Ingraham Kip, 1871. [This is an interesting book to look at but is in error as the father of Hendrick Hendricksen would not have been Ruloff De Kype as Hendrick’s second name would then have been Ruloffsen as patronymics were followed in The Netherlands in this time period. Hendrick does list his dwelling place in his betrothal statement and it was in Niewenhuys (refer back to Issue 1 of the Kip Family Newsletter). Beginning on page 12 is a writeup on Jacobus. 

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/331207/?offset=&return=1#page=10&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

5. Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol. 1.

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/132136/?offset=0#page=1&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

Page 18 in the Collection of the NYGBS (Volume 1) has the following: 

den 14 dicto. Jacob Hendrickszen Kip, en Maria de Lamontagne, Van Amsterdam, getrouwt den 8 Mart. (this is page 32 on the page viewer). 

6. Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New Amsterdam and New York. 

Marriages from 11 December 1639 to 26 August 1801, edited by Samuel S. Purple, MD, New York, 1890.

p. 18.  14 Feb. 1654  Jacob Hendrickszen Kip, en Maria de Lamontagne, Van Amsterdam, getrouwt den 8 Mart.

7.  Legal Document of Dutch Colonial Times, by Richard H. Amerman. de Halve Maen, Vol. XXXV, No. 4, Jan. 1961. p. 9, 10 (on viewer page 11,12). Transcription from above MSS item.

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/276886/?offset=0#page=1&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

 

 

8. The Register of New Netherland 1626 to 1674. By E.B. O'Callaghan. Clearfield Co., Baltimore, MD. 1995. Online at Family Search I found this book which was published at Albany NY by J Munsell, 78 State Street in 1865.

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/404400/?offset=0#page=27&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

P. 27. Jacob Kip, acting Provincial Secretary in 1650.

P. 28. Jacob Hendricksen Kip named as Deputy Secretary in 1650.

P. 62 -64. Jacob Kip listed as a Schepen in 1659, 1663 and 11 Aug 1674 named as President as well as Schepen.

P. 103. Jacob Kip listed as a Town Clerk of New Amsterdam 27 Jan 1653.

P. 144. Under Landts Vergadering, or Meeting of Magistrates of the several Dutch Towns, holden at New Amsterdam, at which the towns mentioned below were represented, but we have the names only of those from two places. 3 Nov 1663 Jacob Kip, New Amst   erdam.

P. 167. Jacob Kip named To Value the Estates of all persons in New Orange above One thousand Guilders, 1 Feb 1674.

9. Calendar of Dutch Historical Manuscripts in the Office of the Secretary of State Albany, New York 1630-1664, by Edmund B. O'Callaghan, The Gregg Press, Ridgewood, NJ, 1968.

 https://archive.org/details/calendarofhistor00newy/page/40/mode/2up   

P. 40. Register of Provincial Secretary, Vol. II, p. 163. No date in margin but likely Aug. 1647.  Power of Attorney. Jacob Hendricksen Kip to Harman Hendricksen Droogh, his uncle, to receive money due him by the W.I. Company at Amsterdam.

P. 52. Register of Provincial Secretary, Vol. III, p. 75. March 20, 1651.  Deed. Peter Cornelissen to Jacob Hendricksen Kip, of a lot on Manhatten island.

P. 130. Council Minutes, Vol. V, p. 97. Jan. 27, 1653. Appointment. Jacob Kip to be secretary or clerk to the burgomasters and schepens of New Amsterdam.

P. 155. Council Minutes, Vol. VI, p. 175. Nov. 29, 1655. Appointment. Jacob Kip, to be vendue master to the court of orphan masters.

P. 186. Council Minutes, Vol. VIII, p. 596. June 12, 1657. Resignation of Jacob Kip of his office of clerk of New Amsterdam and request that another be appointed in his stead, with order thereupon.

P. 187. Council Minutes, Vol. VIII, p. 610. June 13, 1657. Order. Continuing Jacob Kip in his office until he have finished transcribing the records thereof.

P. 221. Council Minutes, Vol. IX, p. 522. March 1, 1660. Petition. Aert Anth. Meddagh, Tonis Gysberts Bogaert, Jorsey Rapelje, Jean Le Cler, Jacob Kip, and others, for permission to plant a village on the river side opposite the Manhatans, in sight of fort Amsterdam, between the lands of said Bogaert and Kip.

P. 382. Land Papers, Vol. H.H., p. 56. June 21, 1656. Patent. Jacob Kip; lot in the Sheep pasture, New Amsterdam.

P. 386. Land Papers, Vol. H.H., p. 127. April 11, 1661. Patent. Jacob Kip; lot in the Sheep pasture, New Amsterdam, adjoining the deacon's lot.

10. American Family Antiquity. Being an account of the origin and progress of American  families, traced from their progenitors in this country, connected with their history abroad. Illustrated with portraits and emblazoned coats armorial. Vol. II. KIP. Albert  Welles. American College for Genealogical Registry and Heraldry. New York. 1881. New York Public Library. [This book has ten pages on the Kip family Pages 17 to 26). Again it refers back to the Ruloff De Kype family although generally this has been found to be a false line according to Patronymics and the actual birth place of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. But to be complete in one’s lookback in time it is necessary to relate what is found in the literature.]

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/208354/?offset=0#page=11&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

11. Abstract of Title of Kip's Bay Farm in the City of New York, with All Known Maps Relating Thereto, Together With the Water Grants on The East River Adjoining Said Farm, and Releases From the City on the Eastern Post Road. Etc., Etc., Etc.

Also, The Early History of the Kip Family and The Genealogy as Refers to Title. By John J Post of the New York Bar. New York. S. Victor Constant. 1894.

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/viewer/359077/?offset=0#page=1&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q= 

In this particular document, one notes that Post has avoided any reference to Ruloff de Kype beginning with Hendrick Hendricksen Kype and the family information has been taken from the records. 

12. Original Land Patent: Recorded Vol. 3 of the Patents, page 99. Secretary of State's Office, Albany, New York.

https://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/files/1314/0284/1244/Volumes_GG_HH__II_-_Land_Papers.pdf 

 

To look at the books held by Family Search and with hypertext in the above text it is necessary to have a login and to sign in to read the books. 

   The following image I found in Edward’s files and it is the Family Chart of Jacobus Kipp (Chappaqua New York). I do not know the original location of this material but if I happen to find it I will add it later.  The original would certainly be a much better image to look at I would suspect. 

 

 Hendrick Kype is the 7th Great-Grandfather of Joseph Jacobus Kip

                                  * Hendrick Kype

                                (1576 -           )

                               * Margaret De Marneil

                              (Abt 1579 -           )

                                           |

                           * Hendrick Hendricksen Kip

                               (1600 – Sep 14 1685)

                                Tryntie Lubberts

                               (1599 - After 1665)

                              Married Apr 20, 1624

                                           |

                           * Hendrick Hendricksen Kip

                              (Aug 14, 1633 - 1670)

                                  Anna De Sille

                           (Nov 6, 1640 - May 20, 1711)

                             Married Feb 29, 1659/60

                                           |

                                 * Nicasius Kip

                              (1666 - Oct 10, 1713)

                                  Antie Breyant

                            (Sep 1671 - Jul 31, 1715)

                              Married Dec 20, 1691

                                           |

                                 * Cornelius Kip

                              (Dec 1699 - Dec 1803)

                                   Eva Berdan

                            (Oct 1697 - Feb 20, 1799)

                              Married Sep 17, 1720

                                           |

                              Jacobus James Jacobus

                          (May 21, 1716 - Aug 22, 1794)

                             * Maritje Cornelese Kip

                          (Sep 15, 1726 - Bef Jun 1774)

                              Married Jun 23, 1743

                                           |

                              * Nicholas I Jacobus

                              (1758 - Dec 27, 1819)

                                Maritje Vreeland

                           (Oct 5, 1766 - Nov 11, 1836)

                                           |

                                * James N Jacobus

                           (Aug 9, 1791 - Feb 2, 1858)

                                  Getty Doremus

                           (Jan 14, 1795 - Feb 7, 1879)

                                           |

                               * Nicolas I Jacobus

                               (1822 - May 6, 1901)

                            Pricilla Kitchell Buggins

                          (Jul 28, 1836 - Apr 19, 1926)

                              Married Jun 29, 1865

                                           |

                                * Joseph Jacobus

                            (Apr 4, 1875 -           )

5. Letters to the Editor

This section will be available to anyone wanting to write to the Editor. 

6. yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families

Project Statistics

Big Y     3

Distinct Y-DNA Confirmed haplogroups   6

Family Finder    21

Paternal Ancestor Information  24

Total Members  41

Unreturned kits   4

Y-DNA Deep Clade (after 2008)   3

Y-DNA Deep Clade (prior to 2008)  1

Y-DNA12     17

Y-DNA25     15

Y-DNA37     15

Y-DNA67     12

Y-DNA111     6

I will wait until I have results for Edward’s testing (I am still trying to decide which test to do although do incline towards doing Y-700) before commenting further on the yDNA study in general. The Kip family of New Amsterdam was not the only Kipp family in the 1700s in the United States and more discussion on these early families will also be forthcoming as Edward did spend time looking at these lines. 

7. Next Issue

The next issue is planned for the 1st of February 2023. Anyone wishing to submit an article/letter to the editor please send to Elizabeth Kipp (kippeeb@rogers.com). 

Item purchased on ebay

Edward, my husband, purchased an item on Ebay about ten years ago now which was said to have information on the Kipp family. It did have a small amount of information but it was principally on the Crum family. Unfortunately the documents had a strong odour (cigarette, etc) which was impossible to eliminate so I have, except for a few of the copies, discarded the bulk of the material. It was principally letters back and forth between the researcher to whom the records belonged and family members. Since no one had claimed them initially at the death of the researcher (which was more than twenty years ago now), I did not advertise their existence since the letters really did not contain any information that would not already be known to family members. I will, however, publish the material that the researcher produced in case family members search online. I can not attest to the authenticity of any of this work; I am simply providing it in case another may wish to have access to it. I no longer have the originals other than the picture which I will retain for a little longer in case someone notices it and wishes to have it. The name of the researcher is unknown to me.

 I will publish the image and a transcription in as much as I am able to read it. There are more pages which I shall also publish.

So NY p 567

1-1-8

[The numbering is likely from his compilation of the Crum family]

Children of DIRCK (Richard) CRUM, son of Floris Willemse

bapt at NY 19 Nov 1694

Resided at TAPPAN m Catriena Kuyper

(Cooper) Crum

1-1-8-1     HELENA,  b 12 Oct 1718

1-1-8-2     KATHARYNA, b 15 Aug 1722

1-1-8-3    WILLEMYNTIE, b 9 Oct 1725

1-1-8-4    DIRCK, b 16 Dec 1728

1-1-8-5    CORNELIUS, b 27 Apr 1731, settled at HAVERSTRAW

1-1-8-6   MARIA, 26 Dec 1736

1-1-8-7   JOHANNES, 5 Jan 1740

----------------------------

1-1-8-5   CORNELIUS

1-1-8-5-1  a. RICHARD, b 4 Feb 1763 - Soldier in Rev (Capt John Doryletys Co)

Interesting email on the Kipp-Grubb family

 An interesting email on the Kipp family of New Amsterdam relating back to Catherine Rosina Kipp b 1707 and daughter of Abraham Kipp b 1680 and his wife Agnet. A second Kip link is mentioned Elizabeth baptized 1718 at Hackensack NJ daughter of Hendrik Kip b 1693 and Geertje Van Dien b 1697. This second Elizabeth Kip does appear in the Kip family tree which my husband has put on line as the Kip-America tree and she was the daughter of Hendrick Kip and Geertruy Van Dien who married 24 Jul 1714 at Hackensack, Bergen Co, NJ. Elizabeth married John A Hopper 9 Apr 1736 at Hackensack. I shall have a look at the information and see what I am able to learn from it.

Kipp-Kip Newsletter Volume 1 Issue 3 2022

 The next issue of the Kipp-Kip Newsletter Volume 1 Issue 3 2022 is available on the website. The email has gone to FT DNA for their approval before distribution. The images are not yet included in the post below but the hypertext link has been posted in this newsletter. The newsletter on the FT DNA website contains all of the relevant images. 

The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

Table of Contents

1.      The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

2.      Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS

3.      History of The Kip Family in America

4.      What do we know about Hendrick Hendricksen Kip the emigrant (Part 2 – 1643 -1685)?

5.      Letters to the Editor

6.      yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families

7.      Next Issue

 

1.      The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

The third issue of this newsletter and I feel a certain momentum as it evolves. I think what is helpful for me is that I do not have preconceived ideas about the Kip/Kipp family and can work directly from the information that Edward collected without any preconceived notions. I did assist him on occasion extracting information from film but followed a research pattern that he designed. His interest in Kipp grew exponentially as he discovered via his yDNA that he did descend from the Kip family of New Amsterdam/New York. That changed his focus somewhat and he left his investigation of the descendants of the various Kipp families in his local area to look at the overall Kip/Kipp family descendants in the 1700s and 1800s. Hence I do find that his trees for his lines in the present are not necessarily complete plus he did not trace down female lines in the present consistently – depended on his interest or whether he was trying to find something. Discussions with Kipp descendants in his area I was present at and did take notes in those early days as he was trying to find hints of the ancestral line thought to have lived in the 1700s/1600s in Dutchess County, New York. I have refrained from mentioning the Newsletter on line other than in his Kip/Kipp yDNA study as I do not want a lot of emails in the present trying to connect back to his line in Oxford/Burford Counties of Ontario. I do not intend to continue his research beyond what he has done but will leave that with my daughters in the future if it interests them.

2.      Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS

Edward started to write his family story (after much prodding by me but only in the last couple of months before he passed away – I had been suggesting it since I had started writing my own back in 2012!). However, what he did share was an interesting look at a child who grew up in a household that included his mother and a brother eight years older. I would say that he gradually grew used to the idea of being fatherless but it was a painful experience and perhaps that memory of a father who cared for him 24/7 from the time he walked at ten months until his father passed away when he was two years and two months of age was there in his subconscious and it was very hard to let go. His mother commented to me when we were first married that he looked for him constantly as a small child and it did help somewhat when they moved to the house where he grew up away from the farm and all the familiar sights of those early years. He was about 2 and a half when they moved. He had five first cousins which must have been helpful for him as he grew up in the small village that had seen a Kipp family living there since the early 1800s.

 

 

Phyllis Margaret (Link) Kipp, Allen Charles Kipp, Edward Burnice Kipp and Lorne Bernice Kipp (circa 1945).

 

This picture of Edward as a toddler with his mother and older brother was found by him when he went through his mother’s hope chest shortly after he retired in 2004. She had passed away in 2000 but he had not opened the chest and gone through it before then. The picture itself had gotten caught on a piece of wood at the bottom of the chest and was upside down. I could hear the thrill in his voice as he called me to come and see the picture when I arrived home from work. It is the only picture of Edward with his father (and entire family for that matter). We scanned it and made several glossy new copies one of which was on his bulletin board above his desk. For him that was a pinnacle of his study to find that picture. Edward is wearing his baptismal suit so can probably be dated 22 Apr 1945 (his father was an Elder at Princeton United Church) when Edward was just two years of age. It is possible that it was earlier than that but the picture was undated although I recognized this as the little suit which we still have from his baptism.

3.      History of The Kip Family in America

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual

This website on Roots Web is still accessible but the entire listing is also on the website which Edward created:

 

https://wc.rootsweb.com/

 

In World Connect, search the "jump to a specific database" field for edwkipp8

 

I need to decide if I should do more with the material in this earlier history. Should I publish parts of it? It is a mystery at the moment as the book is on Internet Archive but there are pictures in the book and presumably they are out of copyright since it was published in 1928 but will check on that.

 

Fortunately for the Kip Family in America an earlier researcher put together an extensive family genealogy book “History of The Kip Family in America” by Frederic Ellsworth Kip of Montclair, New Jersey and assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley of Morristown, New Jersey and was published in 1928 at Boston by Hudson Printing Company. It is available on Internet Archive:

https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt

4.      What do we know about Isaac Hendricksen Kip (2^nd son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip) ?

First of all Isaac Hendricksen Kip was the second son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and Tryntje Lubberts. I have omitted the eldest son Abraham who was christened 6 May 1625 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, The Netherlands. No further information was found for Abraham and will leave that to another Kip researcher to solve as a mystery.

Isaac Hendricksen was baptized 10 Jan 1627 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, The Netherlands. His death is mentioned as Jul 1678 in New Harlem, New York City. He married Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers 8 Feb 1653 in New Amsterdam, New Netherlands (this area was still a Dutch Colony at the time of his marriage).

Edward’s notes for Isaac in Legacy Family Tree:

Isaack. He was baptized at the New Church, Amsterdam, Holland, on Jan 10, 1627, and came to the Dutch Colony of New Amsterdam with his parents. He was admitted to the Rights of a Great Burgher in New Amsterdam on April 11, 1657, but unlike his father and brothers did not enter upon a political career. The only office he held in New Amsterdam was that of stamper, to which he was appointed Feb. 20, 1674, and on Oct. 27, 1675 he was nominated for magistrate of New Harlem. He was a yacht Captain engaged in river trade between New Amsterdam and the settlements at Esopus (Kingston) and Fort Orange (Albany). His descendants settled in Rhinebeck.

Isaack Henrixsz, baptized January 10, 1627 in the Nieuwe Kerk in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland. Father Henrick Henrixsz. Mother Trijntje Lubberts. Sponsor is Jan Henrixsz, possibly a brother of Hendrick Hendricksz.  DTB 040p377. FHL Indexing project C90037-2. Film # 113144.

Sources:

1.      17th Century Hollanders

http://17thcenturyhollanders.pbworks.com/w/page/63040141/Hendrick%20Hendricksz%20Kip

This particular document has original documents of the marriage Isaack’s parents and a listing of the children which includes mention of Isaack.

2.      Contributions to the History of the Kip Family of New York and New Jersey, by Edwin R. Purple, 1877. This book can be found on Internet Archive.org:

https://archive.org/details/contributionstoh1877purp

The image below is taken from page 10 of this particular book.

 

3.      Historical Notes of the Family of Kip of Kipsburg and Kip's Bay, New York, by William  Ingraham Kip, 1871.

Page 10: “Isaac. He had large landed property in the city, including what now forms the Park. Nassau street was then called Kip street, in honor of him and is so laid down in the early maps (Jerome B Holgate, American Genealogy being a history of some of the early settlers and their descendants, from their first emigration to the present time with their intermarriages and collateral branches etc, 1851, p. 112). “ The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Volumes 7-8 on page 72 also has a writeup for Isaac Hendrickszen Kip. However mention is made that Nassau Street below Maiden Lane was named Kip Street as a compliment to Jacob Kip (brother of this Isaac). But the two publications do provide some interesting information that Nassau Street between now named Ann Street and Spruce Street “was originally called Kip Street after one of the family.”

4.      Continuing with William Ingraham Kip’s book: “In 1657, ‘in conformity to the laudable custom of the city of Amsterdam in Europe,’ the Great Burgher Right was introduced into New Amsterdam, by Gov. Stuyvesant. It was the selection of about twenty families who formed the Great Citizenship, the members of which alone were eligible to the public offices, while the rest of the citizens were in the Small Citizenship. In the list of the Great Citizenship are found the names of Hendrick and Isaac Kip (J. Paulding,  Affairs and Men of New Amsterdam: in the time of Governor Peter Stuyvesant, p. 87). “ I did find it rather interesting that there is a Hendrick Kip, junior also mentioned establishing that Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (father of these two men) was still in New Amsterdam in 1657.

5.      History of The Kip Family In America, by Frederic E. Kip and Margarita L. Hawley, 1928.  No.2, p. 36, 39.

Page 36 of Frederic Kip’s book has recorded the baptism of Isaack as 10 Jan 1627 with his death in July 1678. Pages 39 to 43 of this same book include details on Isaac including his marriage to Catalyntje Hendrick Snyers and lists their seven children: Hendrick, Tryntie, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (died young), Jacob and Johannes.

This book is available on Internet Archive:

https://archive.org/details/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/page/42/mode/2up

6.      Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Vol. 1.

Volume 1 includes Marriages in the Dutch Church, New York 11 Dec 1639 to 26 Aug 1801.  Records of the Reformed Dutch Church in New Amsterdam and New York. The Marriages from 11 December 1639 to 26 August 1801, edited by Samuel S. Purple, MD, New York, 1890. p. 18.  Feb. 8 1653.  Isaac Hendrickszen Kip, en Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers.

7.      The Register of New Netherland 1626 to 1674. By E.B. O'Callaghan. Clearfield Co., Baltimore, MD. 1995.

Page 174 of this particular book prepared by Edmund B. O’Callaghan is a list of the Great Burghers named in 1657 with Hendrick Kip and Isack Kip named on the 11^th of April and Hendrick Kip, junior named on the 17^th of April in the year first mentioned.

8.      Calendar of Dutch Historical Manuscripts in the Office of the Secretary of State Albany, New York 1630-1664, by Edmund B. O'Callaghan, The Gregg Press, Ridgewood, NJ, 1968.

9.      P. 382. Land Papers, Vol. H.H., p. 56. June 21, 1656. Patent. Isaac Kip; lot in the Sheep pasture, New Amsterdam.

10.  American Family Antiquity. Being an account of the origin and progress of American  families, traced from their progenitors in this country, connected with their history abroad. Illustrated with portraits and emblazoned coats armorial. Vol. II. KIP. Albert  Welles. American College for Genealogical Registry and Heraldry. New York. 1881. New York Public Library.

An interesting discussion about this set of books by Albert Welles on a WikiTree page describes his works as being fraudulent. Welles had a particular interest in coats of arms and heraldry but was apparently notorious for fabricating aristocratic pedigrees. Although these can not be supported by evidence the article goes on to say that they should be consulted to ascertain and document the origins of pedigrees and other genealogical details in order to ensure they are discarded as being fraudulent. This would appear to be the source of the information in Frederic Ellsworth Kip’s book on the Kip Family of America. The book is available in electronic form at: https://archive.org/details/americanfamilyan00well/page/n29/mode/2up

11.  Descendants of Isaac Hendricksen Kip and Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers 1^st generation)

Family Group Record for Isaac Hendricksen Kip

 

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Husband: Isaac Hendricksen Kip

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          Born: Jan 1627 - Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

    Christened: Jan 10, 1627 - Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

          Died: Jul 1678 - New Harlem, NY

        Buried:

        Father: Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (Cir 1600-1685)

        Mother: Tryntje Lubberts (Cir 1599-After 1665)

      Marriage: Feb 8, 1653                     Place: New Amsterdam, New

                 Netherland

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  Other Spouse: Maria Vermilye (1629-          )  Date: Sep 26, 1675 - New

                 Harlem, NY

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   Wife: Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers

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          Born: Abt 1632 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland

    Christened:

          Died: Bef Sep 26, 1675 - New Harlem, NY

        Buried:

        Father: Hendrick Janszen Snyder (Abt 1604-1647)

        Mother: Geertje Scheerburch (Abt 1608-          )

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Children

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1  M  Hendrick Kip

          Born: 1654 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland

    Christened: Feb 8, 1654 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland

          Died: 1713

        Buried:

        Spouse: Annetje Jans Van Putten (1659-1732)

    Marr. Date: Bef 1678

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2  F  Tryntie Kip

          Born: Sep 1656 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland

    Christened: Sep 13, 1656 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland

          Died: Aug 28, 1727

        Buried:

        Spouse: Philip De Foreest (1652-1727)

    Marr. Date: Jan 5, 1676 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland

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3  M  Abraham Kip

          Born: Aug 1659 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland

    Christened: Sep 3, 1659 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland

          Died: Jun 1731 - Albany, NY

        Buried: Jun 28, 1731 - Reformed Dutch Church Cem., Albany, Albany Co.,

                 NY

        Spouse: Gessie Van der Heyden (Cir 1667-1748)

    Marr. Date: Oct 16, 1687 - Albany, NY, USA

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4  M  Isaac Kip

          Born: Jun 1662 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland

    Christened: Jun 15, 1662 - New Amsterdam, New Netherland

          Died: Apr 8, 1750 - New York, NY

        Buried:

        Spouse: Sarah De Mill (1663-1727)

    Marr. Date: Oct 20, 1686

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5  M  Jacob Kip

          Born: Nov 1664 - New York, USA

    Christened: Nov 19, 1664 - New York, USA

          Died: Beg 1666 - New York, USA

        Buried:

        Spouse:

    Marr. Date:

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6  M  Jacob Kip

          Born: Aug 25, 1666 - New York, NY

    Christened: Aug 29, 1666 - New York, NY

          Died: Feb 28, 1733 - Kingston, Ulster Co., NY

        Buried:

        Spouse: Rachel Swartwout (1669-1746)

    Marr. Date: 1695 - Albany, NY, USA

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7  M  Johannes Kip

          Born: Jan 1669 - New York, NY

    Christened: Jan 20, 1669 - New York, NY

          Died:

        Buried:

        Spouse:

    Marr. Date:

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12.  The y-DNA matches tend to support the possibility that Edward’s 2x great grandfather Isaac Kipp (born 1 Nov 1764 in New York State) was a descendant of Isaac Hendricksen Kip. His 2x great grandfather can be found on the 1790 census living next door or with Jonathan Mead. Isaac was married to Hannah Mead 29 Aug 1790 (all records according to Richard Kipp’s Family Bible).

With Isaac Kipp on this census is his wife Hannah (under the column Free White Female). Their eldest son Isaac was born in 1790/91 according to the census of 1800. The family members listed with Jonathan Mead (three males under 16 and four females) does lend support to the argument that this was Jonathan Mead (the Cooper III). Jonathan Mead and his wife (thought to be Sarah Thompson) had ten children with Hannah being the sixth born (11^th Aug 1770). But this continues a work in progress although not being pursued by the editor. Of note, the first census in the United States (1790) took place beginning 2^nd Aug 1790. On the basis of that, it is perhaps not presumptive to assume that Hannah was the daughter of this Jonathan Mead and the census taker could not resolve the idea that one was supposed to resolve the data to the 2^nd of August when Isaac and Hannah married the 29^th of August and just found it easier to record them together as he would likely have found them when the census was actually taken (perhaps after the marriage had occurred). But it is an interesting thought to explain the discrepancy.  The birth records and marriage records have not been located by my husband in spite of many visits to Northeast Town area. These records were in the Family Bible of one of the sons of Isaac and Hannah – Richard Titus Kipp. The census of 1800 taken at Rensselaerville NY shows the Kipp family (Isaac, Hannah and four children) on their way to southwestern Ontario where they arrived in the Fall of 1800. This census shows Isaac Kipp with three sons under 10 years of age, 1 son 10 to 16, and himself 26 to 45 and then his wife 26 to 45. At this time there were actually five sons with the second eldest (Jonathan b 1792) appearing to remain with his grandfather Jonathan Mead at Northeast Town. The other sons were Isaac (b 1790/91), James (b 1793), John (b 1795), and David (b 1797).

Census day was 4^th August 1800 which does leave one to think that likely Isaac was born in 1790 and one is left to wonder at the accuracy of the marriage date but I will leave that for another researcher. I myself saw the dates in the Richard Kipp Family Bible but they were written in the same hand as information at a later date. The material on the left hand side of the image below does appear to have been written in the same hand although whether it was at the same time is difficult to assume.

The marriage date was entered for Isaac Kipp and Hannah Mead possibly in 1830.

The next issue will look at another one of the sons of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip. This issue a little longer but decided to add in the census and Bible pages for Edward’s 2x great grandparents.

5.      Letters to the Editor

This section will be available to anyone wanting to write to the Editor.

6.      yDNA study at FT DNA on the Kip-Kipp Families

Project Statistics

Big Y     3
Distinct Y-DNA Confirmed haplogroups   6
Family Finder    21
Paternal Ancestor Information  24
Total Members  41
Unreturned kits   4
Y-DNA Deep Clade (after 2008)   3
Y-DNA Deep Clade (prior to 2008)  1
Y-DNA12     17
Y-DNA25     15
Y-DNA37     15
Y-DNA67     12
Y-DNA111     6

I may wait until I have results for Edward’s testing (I am still trying to decide which test to do) before commenting further on the yDNA study in general. The Kip family of New Amsterdam was not the only Kipp family in the 1700s in the United States and more discussion on these early families will also be forthcoming as Edward did spend time looking at these lines.

7.      Next Issue

The next issue is planned for the 1^st of October 2022. Anyone wishing to submit an article/letter to the editor please send to Elizabeth Kipp (kippeeb@rogers.com).