The Kipp-Kip Family Newsletter

 I have completed the Kipp-Kip Family Newsletter and a link will be published on the Kip-Kipp yDNA study at FT DNA on the 1st of February. 

Continuing with the political times in the 1600s in The Netherlands

 I am into the political times of the day in The Netherlands in this time period in my thinking. It was a time of unrest as the Holy Roman Empire slowly dissolved and became the countries that we know today. France was dominating the area although the article that I found showed the Prince-Bishop of Munster (Christoph Bernhard von Galen) up against  Lieutenant General (Carl von) Rabenhaupt. Rabenhaupt who was recruited by the Dutch in 1671. Getting back to the 1600s though which is the real interest time period  and it comes at the end of a century or more of economic prosperity for the Low Countries as they are known (The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg). The last years of the 1500s and the early years of the 1600s are marred by a series of conflicts with the Spanish Hapsburg rulers. In 1581, this area became an independent state known as the States General or the Dutch Republic. In 1609 the Twelve Years' Truce brought the Dutch Republic into its Golden Age which lasted from 1609 - 1713 and saw the Dutch Republic ranked as one of the most powerful and influential in the world. This was the time of emigration to the Americas and the Dutch were at the forefront establishing New Holland (large parts of present day New York State) and New Amsterdam (now New York City). It can be understood that many of the Dutch were interested in emigrating and Hendrick Hendricksen Kip with his wife and six children were amongst those who did. 

Having found a likely location for the birthplace of Hendrick which lies in present day Germany albeit a little square block of land that sticks into the Dutch countryside; I have not yet found a map that shows anything different with regard to this small area of land. Since he did move to Amsterdam and was prosperous there as far as is known, one assumes he was likely Dutch. His yDNA places him in the Frisian ethnic group (i.e. living within 100 km of Amsterdam). What does within 100 km of Amsterdam look like?

Cities  within 98- 100 km of Amsterdam - Boxtel, Den Helder, Brielle, Druten, Waalwijk, Arnheim, Heudsen, Oud-Beijerland and interesting enough all of these cities are in The Netherlands. I sort of rest my case. What can I learn about the Frisians? They lived along the seacoast and were there before the Roman Empire expanded. As the North Sea rose towards the end of the first millenium the Frisians moved inland, although this area again became populated after diking and the people were called Frisians, there seems to be some doubt that this was a large return of the earlier population.

Interestingly you can clearly see on this map the square block of land on the eastern border of The Netherlands where this small village was located that the Betrothal Notice stated as being the birthplace of Hendrick Hendrixsz. These borders were pretty fluid in this time frame and it was more of a matter of who controlled the land. I still have no idea on that other than the pieces from a book and the London Gazette discussing a war in 1674 wherein the Dutch controlled that particular town. 

Edward tested his DNA at 23 and Me, Ancestry, FT DNA, Living DNA and it was uploaded to My Heritage. He also tested at Ethnoancestry and Sorenson. At 23 and Me Edward is said to belong to Z-326 and share an ancient ancestor (10,000 years ago) with King Louis XVI.

Ethnicity at tested DNA sites:

23 and Me

99.9% European

87.9% French and German (this includes the area in the border area above where the town of Niewenhuys was located)

7.7% Scandinavian

2% British and Irish

Ancestry

43% Germanic Europe

38% England and Northwestern Europe

8% Sweden and Denmark

7% Norway

2% Wales

2% Scotland

FT DNA

100% European

53% England, Wales and Scotland 

29% Scandinavia

4% Central Europe

6% Basque

3% Greece and Balkans

2% Italian Peninsula

3% Magyar

Living DNA

59.1% Great Britain and Ireland

40.8 Germanic

My Heritage (Ancestry results uploaded)

71.4% English

28.6% North and West European

I always find the Ethnicity Results interesting for Edward with only 23 and Me capturing what we would calculate as his likely Ethnicity. Looking at his eight great grandparents (two came directly from Germany), paternal great paternal grandfather (Kipp - Dutch); paternal great paternal grandmother (Force - English/French); paternal great maternal grandfather (Schultz - north east Germany); paternal great maternal grandmother (Nieman - north east Germany); maternal great paternal grandfather (Link - USA-German); maternal great maternal grandmother (Rathbun - USA-English); maternal great maternal grandfather (Allen - USA-Dutch); maternal great maternal grandmother (Parlee - USA-French Huguenot). Ed does have some Loyalist ancestry with his Link, Allen and Parlee lines and a number of the further back ancestors in the Allen and Parlee lines were English Dissenters early to the American Colonies. The Link came in the 1740s to the Mohawk Valley and again married descendants of English Dissenters. So depending on the data sets used Edward's ethnicity results are going to be coloured by these early groups to the American Colonies. Living DNA, My Heritage, FT DNA and Ancestry do tend to show a higher percentage of English than 23 and Me. When I do a manual county at the 5x great grandparent level I obtain 30% German, 30% Dutch, 15% French, 10% English, 5% Scandinavian and 5% Scot. One addition that could be made to Ethnicity Results would be an idea of what time period one is looking at and 23 and Me does do that.

 

Hendrick Hendricksen Kip

 Today will be a day to work on the Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter. I would like to finish the section of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip although it is likely another day or two on that. Edward had acquired a lot of information on this ancient ancestor from Amsterdam, The Netherlands. An earlier book had given this man a glamorous storyline back in his ancestry but Edward was not able to find any of that information including in a book of Heraldry on French lines. The yDNA points to this particular line as having been within 100 km of Amsterdam back thousands of years and includes the skeletal remains of individuals found in an ice cave in Liechtenstein and about 3000 years old. I still remember being on the R1b list when a comment came out who is N18407 on the FT DNA site. I mulled that around for a couple of seconds and realized it was Edward's kit number and he matched this ancient skeleton found in the ice cave. He was thrilled at that information and worked away on that new knowledge. Finding his Kipp line was important to him and the DNA testing gave him  his answer although he still wanted to discover Isaac's father and perhaps our daughter will find that information in the years to come. She has become more and more interested this past six months in what he was doing. I would not have said that either of our daughters would be interested in genealogy, and like me, they are not from the standpoint of making a family tree. But this deep ancestry knowledge found in Edward's DNA is quite fascinating.

The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

 Finally back to working on the newsletter. I hope to complete the first issue by the end of next week and will publish it on this blog as well as on the yDNA study at FT DNA for the Kip-Kipp family. I added a new section:

 3.    Beginnings …..

My first introduction to the Kipp family history was during a visit to Edward’s uncle Howard Kipp in June 1966. He had a picture on the wall which was actually a genealogical chart and my recollection is dim these days although I rather think it is in his records now. The chart began with Isaac Kipp and Hannah Mead and then under that their eleven children were listed. There the memory ends. I can not particularly remember if there were spouses for these children or grandchildren listed. I have not seen the chart for many years but if it reappears as I work my way through I will scan it and put it into an issue of this newsletter.

That was basically the beginning of Edward’s conscious research into his Kipp family and for many years he only worked on the Kipp family until his mother gave him a huge stack of pictures for her Link family and suggested that he also do her family. But the beginning was interesting. Edward quickly found out about the Family History Centre and now that we had a car he could easily go and spend a bit of time there on his family history. Edward had never been to the United States except on a field trip with the Chemistry group and initially we did not go there but finally he had exhausted all available resources here (visits to family members/local historians and local repositories were most of that effort) and we headed south in 1973 to Albany to see what we could find. His uncle knew that his family was from New York State and mentioned Dutchess County. After Albany Dutchess County was our next stop on that trip. We did make many trips to this area but never found the record he desired which was the birth of his Isaac Kipp verified (1 Nov 1764) and his marriage to Hannah Mead the 29th Aug 1790. These dates were in the Family Bible which also listed all the children and their dates of birth.

There were other Kipp families who did not appear to trace back to the Kip family of New Amsterdam and he also researched those lines to a certain extent but could not find any record that would link his Isaac to these Kipp lines either. Then yDNA arrived and he tested in 2005. A match soon after with a known descendant of the Kip family of New Amsterdam was greeted with great joy. He finally had his answer and could concentrate on the Dutchess County area and so he did. This is a compilation of what he did find as the Newsletter continues until I am able to pass it to another. 

Looking back now on those early years, I got to see the area where Edward grew up and the people that he knew there. They were all very fond of him and, perhaps because his father died when he was two, told him many stories about his father which he enjoyed. But these few years before we moved to Ottawa were full of many repository trips to local municipal holdings and the Toronto Archives (I did use to bring along a book to read to be honest). But I cheered him along whenever he found something exciting to share and, as we discovered, I could easily read these old records and I did transcribe them for him as he found the handwriting difficult. So a little knowledge seeped in way back then but not a great deal of interest unfortunately. I do not have any American ancestry so could not really get thoroughly interested plus he would have this all done for his children I did think at the time!

 And I added in material under the next item namely

 4.    History of The Kip Family in America

Fortunately for the Kip Family in America another earlier researcher put together an extensive family genealogy book “History of The Kip Family in America” by Frederic Ellsworth Kip of Montclair, New Jersey and assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley of Morristown, New Jersey and was published in 1928 at Boston by Hudson Printing Company. It is available on Internet Archive:

https://archive.org/stream/historyofkipfami00kipf_2/historyofkipfami00kipf_2_djvu.txt

The following appears at the front of the book:

“The compiler when twenty to twenty-two years old (1882 to 1884) worked on the Kip Genealogy, and obtained considerable data. This material, during the past eight years (1920 to 1928) has been edited and augmented by the genealogist, Miss Margarita Lansing Hawley.

“Researches have been made in Holland, Great Britain, France, and in all of the places in the United States connected with the Kip family.”

Edward did enter all of the information in this book into a genealogy program (Legacy) and it can be found on the World Connect website:

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual

I also created another item for the Table of Contents.

5. What do we know about Hendrick Hendricksen Kip the emigrant?

This will be my day's project working away at number 5 as I pull out the data which he collected. It is now four pages long and I shall have to decide a likely size for the newsletter and rather think I will not let it exceed 15 to 20 pages per issue. 

I believe I will work on individuals within the family as that is how Edward's material is arranged. Beginning with the emigrant does permit me to also go back to Amsterdam and the records there. The father of Hendrick appears to also have been Hendrick and that is all that is known about him. As I work through the material I will also find the two brothers and a sister listed in the Legacy family. I will also add these individuals to this first section if they appear in his research that I will be looking at or another time when I find them. Interestingly the sister appears to have married an Englishman 7 Sep 1619 and they lived in Amsterdam. I have not seen that before actually but it is more than 11 years since we actually worked together on his family history. Regretfully now I chose to work on my own family DNA which he thought I should do as well but this lost close contact with his work will make it more difficult for me to find items.