Continuing thought on the Kipp Newsletter

 The Kipp Newsletter is mulling around in my brain as I think about sections that I could add on the yDNA. There are two distinct migrations into the now United States with the Kip family arriving in the 1630s from Amsterdam and coming to what was then New Amsterdam and now New York and the second group coming from Germany and their surname was mostly spelled Kipp. Over time the surname Kipp dominated for all including Edward's line. However, there is a distinct difference between the DNA of the two lines. 

I feel that I should add a yDNA section to the Newsletter and will do that. More people testing their yDNA would be handy just to see if we can pinpoint the correct family for Isaac Kipp. He is likely coming down in the Isaac Hendricksen Kip line (the second son of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip and Tryntie Lubberts) but finding that elusive link proven to be an impossibility although Edward certainly made a good try at that. The published book has many incomplete lines dating back into the 1720 to 1740s which could easily be the father of Isaac Kipp. Many records were destroyed in the Dutchess County area during the Revolution unfortunately. Going back to the Town Halls was interesting but not conclusive. 

I can go back to thinking about this full time as I have now completed my Blake Newsletter for publication on the 1st of January.

A beginning for The Kip-Kipp Newsletter

 Just a roughed-in draft but it is a beginning. I will spend the month of January working on it. Must get back to my Blake Newsletter though as it is due on the first of January!

The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

Table of Contents

1.      The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

2.      Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS

3.      Kip Family in America

4.      Letters to the Editor

5.      Origins of the Kip Family

 

1.      The Kip-Kipp Family Newsletter

The idea of creating this Newsletter has emerged over the past couple of months. There is a lot of Kip-Kipp material to share in my husband’s research and the best means of doing so actually lay at my fingertips although I did not realize it for many months. I kept trying to think of who would carry on his research.

This Newsletter is born of that thought process. I will begin the Newsletter and in God’s own time another Editor will appear to take over the task. I am perhaps best suited to begin on his work as I shared thoughts with Edward through the years as he talked about his Kip-Kipp ancestors.

The watermark is Edward’s favourite picture of himself and will help me as I type and add material to this newsletter. Likely in the future another watermark will replace this one but for the moment my memory of him and his image will help me through this initial publication.

2.      Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS

Edward Kipp was born on one of the Kipp family farms in Burford Township in southwestern Ontario. His father Lorne Kipp managed the farm for his mother Ida (Schultz) Kipp and had done so since the death of his father William Henry Kipp in 1921. Edward was the second child and son of Lorne Kipp (and his wife Phyllis (Link) Kipp). He was born in the midst of World War II in 1943. His father was 43 years of age when he was born. Unfortunately, Lorne suffered a farming accident in 1945 and passed away which resulted in the farm being sold and Edward moved to Princeton, Ontario with his mother and older brother where he lived until he went to the University of Western Ontario (now Western University) in the fall of 1962. He studied Chemistry as an undergraduate and then did his PhD in Inorganic Chemistry completing his dissertation and public lecture in the summer of 1970. He then did a Postdoc in Chemical Engineering at the University of Western Ontario and followed that up with a MLS in Library and Information Science in 1975. This change to information specialist gained him a job (hard to come by in those days) and a career that spanned thirty years at the National Research Council in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. I entered the picture when we first met in 1965 and we were married in 1966. Although he missed being a Scientist he grabbed hold of life’s offerings and quickly entered into his new field. Along with that his interest in genealogy, which had begun before I knew him, took on a new life in many ways. A cousin, Gordon Riddle, introduced him to the Ottawa Branch of the Ontario Genealogical Society (OGS) which they attended together in the early 1980s here in Ottawa. Edward continued this association with the Ottawa Branch the rest of his life. He served in many areas including Chair of Gene-O-Rama (a yearly conference), Treasurer (several times) and for more than fifteen years Editor of the Newsletter (Ottawa Genealogist as it is now known). Edward was also very active with his class reunions helping to organize them every five years for many years. Unfortunately, illness caught up to him and God took him home on the 10^th of April 2021. His task though remains a work in progress and over time I am sure other eager hands will pick up the traces and carry on the Kip-Kipp Family Research.

 

3.      Kip Family in America

Fortunately for the Kip Family in America another earlier researcher put together an extensive family genealogy book (Eugene Kip published

Edward did enter all of the information in this book into a genealogy program (Legacy) and it can be found on the World Connect website:

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/133965/I1/hendrickhendricksen-kip/individual

I will eventually download the gedcom and put it up on our website where it can be downloaded.

4.      Letters to the Editor

5.      Origins of the Kip family

Edward has written several blogs which I shall reproduce in this newsletter over the next issues.

 

Kipp Newsletter

I have been giving a lot of thought to the Kipp Newsletter and believe that I will begin on the 1st of February 2022. Not sure what the first issue will be but I am tempted to publish all of Edward's research on the early family in Holland. Will think about that for a bit. 

Kipp research and original material

 Regretfully in 2011 I did make the decision to move away from helping Edward with his research so much in order to concentrate on my own. However, as I work through some of his the memory of what I had done with him from 2004 to 2011 is coming back to me. I was deeply involved with some of his research and it is that part that was some of the most difficult to construct that I will not likely give away until it is clear to me how it flows. I need all the pieces in order to think about it. My older daughter is also taking some interest in it and with her help we may be able to solve some of these mysteries that surround some parts of his research particularly into the Kipp family. I will surrender all the original pictures which he collected particularly of the homesteaders in British Columbia and Ontario to whichever archives chooses to have the material but they are all scanned and not of use to me plus they can do a much better job of preserving them and making them accessible to other Kipp researchers. 

Working on the Kipp family material

I thought I might get to one of the boxes of Edward's research for his Kipp families and others this past week but the leaves took all my time and energy. Plus I cleaned the basement and so the time passes by quickly. 

I need to write the couple of letters with regard to all the old images since they are all scanned and we are interested in the scanned images only. I gave all the originals for my families to my younger sister as they are then accessible to everyone there. Mostly my family does collect there and it was just practical and I really do not want to be the holder of family original material although I do still have some but will eventually give it all to my younger sister. Her family tree is about ten times the size of mine as that is more her interest - building the family tree. My interest lies more in a search through the records for our family line as it moves backwards. That also includes the maintenance of the large DNA database of matches. 

I may now take over Edward's DNA work until my older daughter retires. He managed his in a different way but will probably convert it over to my method as it involves fewer letters to people and less maintenance in the long run. He liked emailing back and forth with his relatives but I found it was eating into my research time and did not get involved with it to any large degree.

 

Kipp Newsletter

I am seriously considering creating a Kipp Newsletter for distribution to the Kipp yDNA Study. I would start the Newsletter but will be looking for someone to take over this study in the near future. Although I have mostly maintained it through the years, I have quite a bit of material of my own family lines to work through. I do not intend to do any new research on the Kipp family but one of my daughters may consider that in the future. I will write to the Kipp member that my husband asked me to write to early in this year. I just found I could not sit down and organize my thoughts in the short periods of time when I was not busy with Edward in those last few months of his life. He was not going to offer any input so I put it on hold and it has remained there until now as I begin to think once again about how to handle the personal research that my husband has done through his 50+ years of genealogical research. He has accumulated a lot of material and I need to sort through all of that and find permanent homes for it that would be accessible to people. There remain about 35 to 40 boxes for me to work on (some large and some small). I have an inventory on some of them but mostly they are into family lines which will be helpful. All of the pictures are scanned to the best of my knowledge and I will ensure that that is the case before I give any of it away.

It is a massive task and I must get started at it in December. At least I now have a start date! As my own research is starting to flow once again I am better able to establish a working day that permits me to work on my studies and the publication of his material and then assignment of the original material to an Archive or family member. He actually preferred that I give it all to family members but in some cases he has accumulated a vast number of original images that are pertinent to early families in particular areas of Canada and I think that I should put these into an Archive - I will investigate that with Library and Archives Canada and take their opinion on whether to move to smaller archives in the area in which the material is especially pertinent. 

Allen Family material

 Edward's maternal grandmother was Margaret Evelyn Allen born 3 Nov 1880 in McLean Township, Muskoka, Ontario. Her parents were James C Allen and Hannah Catherine Parlee both of whom were born in New Brunswick. Margaret was their youngest child (the eleventh). The summer of 2019 we made a long trip up to near Timmins where many of his Allen cousins still live so that Edward could share information on the Allen family. There are three or four boxes of Allen material that I am contemplating asking these cousins if they would like this material. 

The last two years before COVID-19 when we could still travel we visited so many cousins but Edward never expressed any thoughts on what to do with the vast number of pictures and other items which he acquired for his family lines through the years. He did realize that the girls were not interested in genealogy beyond looking at what he had done. Perhaps he hoped that they would find an interest and they do have some but boxes and boxes of pictures (all scanned) need to have a permanent home where family members can view them. The Allen family that we visited has an extensive collection so I may ask if they would like what Edward collected.

Email request on My Heritage re Mary L Kip

I received an email request on My Heritage for a Kip member:

 Hello,
My name is Lauren and I have been researching my family tree and I noticed you have a Kip family tree. I wondering if you knew anything about Mary L Kip ( I believe her full name was Mary Louise Kip) who I believe was born somewhere between 1855 and 1859. She is my great great grandmother. I noticed you have a Mary L Kip on your tree and I am wondering if they are one in the same,
I’m curious to see if you know anything about her as to if my story matched what you may know about her, and I can certainly fill in the info that I know about her once she got married.

Thank you so much and I hope to hear from you.
Have a nice night

Lauren 

My reply:

 My husband's family is Kipp. Mary Louise Kipp, daughter of Reuben Kipp and Eliza Jane Nelmes was born 3 Oct 1864 in East Oxford Twp, Oxford County, Ontario, Canada. She married John Thomas Wilkinson 9 Jul 1890 at New Westminster, BC, Canada.

Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp 

Reply of writer:

 Hi! Thank you for getting back to me. I was thinking she could be the Mary L Kip you have on your tree that was the daughter of John A Kip. and Emma Kip (it popped up when I was researching) I would think they would have lived in either NY or NJ
The Mary L Kip in my family married Chas. Haarstick and they had one child my dads grandmother Sarah haarstick. She died during childbirth when my great grandmother was very young.
 It’s so hard to find anything when I don’t know her parents names.

Thanks again for getting back to me.
Do you know anything about the John and Emma Kips daughter named Mary L?

 I meant John and Ann kipp, sorry. Emma was one of their daughters. 

My reply:

John A Kipp born 9 Feb 1811 at Hackensack  married Ann E Gaskine 4 Mar 1850 in New York. They had two daughters (Emma 1855) and Mary L (1859). This was a second marriage for John A Kipp. There is no information for Mary L Kip beyond  her birth date of 7 Oct 1859.

Sources:
Find A Grave  www.findagrave.com. Spring Valley Cemetery, Paramus, Bergen County, New Jersey. Memorial # 7254434.

Richard Mclean Anderson, Philadelphia, PA  randers@comcast.net

New York City Methodist Marriages 1785-1893. Vol. 1 Index of Brides. Vol. 2 Index of Grooms. Compiled by William Scott Fisher. Picton Press, Camden, Maine. 1994.  (18/165)

I do not do any Kip research and my husband is deceased. Good luck with your research.
Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp 

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I could have added: It is possible that the one reference to Richard Mclean Anderson might lead to more information on your line.

Kipp material - Silva Kipp and Yvonne Labelle

I received an email on my Ancestry account concerning a tombstone in one of the local Ottawa cemeteries for Silva Kipp and his wife Yvonne Labelle.  Two possibilities exist for this Kipp member - he is descendant of Richard Kipp (a brother to my husband's great grandfather Benjamin Kipp) or he is descendant of the Loyalist Kipp family which came to the Montreal area during the American Revolution. I could not find him in Edward's trees but will mention the dates for Silva (1880-1968) and his wife Yvonne (1896-1989). Apparently there are three other names on the stone. If that is of interest to anyone.

Further correspondence with new fifth cousin from Sweden

I did hear again from Edward's fifth cousin living in Sweden and descendant of his Great Grandmother (Niemann) Schultz's line going back to the Duesing family. She was mostly interested in how many descendants her ancestor's sister had in Canada so let her know it was in the hundreds. I have not heard anything more in the past couple of days so suspect that was her only interest as I did mention that I had contacted other descendants to let them know she had written. 

The Düsing family of Staven, Sponholz, Mecklenburg-Strelitz

A cousin of my husband whose family has lived in Sweden for several generations spotted Johanne Sophia Düsing in his tree on ancestry. They are sharing 3x great grandparents Johann Adolf  Düsing and Regina Germer who lived at Staven at the time of the birth of most of their children with Johanna thought to be the eldest by the researcher who helped Edward with these records but she was actually the second daughter. She descends from Johanna's only brother Heinrich Friedrich Ludwig Düsing who was six years younger. Heinrich went to Sweden with his wife and two young children. 

Genealogy does show how small the world really is. Edward's great grandparents came from Mecklenburg-Strelitz, his great grandmother in 1849 with her mother and sister to join her brothers in the Niagara area (Canadian side of border) and his great grandfather arrived in 1866 in Brant County. I will let Edward's Schultz cousins know as several of them are interested in their family roots in Mecklenburg-Strelitz.

Getting organized

 My first organization point it to remember to publish these blogs from my account. We are down to 15 Research boxes which do not fit into the closet so will do a little work on them to see if I can put the contents of some of them in the remaining bookcase in the research room. Then the rest will have to sit under the computer table and remain in the closet where they now are. But gradually we are getting items organized so that we can begin to work.

Edward's Research Room

Edward's Research Room is now set up although we continue to add the boxed material but it is a slow process to catalogue each box and find a spot for it. I hope to begin looking at material this month probably towards the end of the month. One area of the room includes his mother's Hope Chest going to her oldest grandchild and other material going to the Schultz family (Edward's paternal grandmother was a Schultz). That will free up quite a bit of space for research boxes this fall perhaps. 

There are fourty plus binders of family photographs and other items. We will downsize those family albums so that they only contain family pictures. A couple of the albums are from trips that were planned and prepared by Edward and George Anderson and I will see if I can pass them on to the United Empire Loyalists via George Anderson. Our pictures from 1965 to 2001 were all printed but from 2001 to the present all family pictures are digital. 

We have started to log the boxes and in general there is a lot of work ahead going through those boxes and putting relevant material online through this blog. 

The month of August

 The month of August will see time spent organizing all of Edward\s research boxes so that I can work on them in a more organized fashion. They will be centralized in one room which will be very helpful. 

Edward's Genealogy Library

Edward's Genealogy Library is now passed to the Ontario Genealogical Society Ottawa Branch. It will take a while to incorporate these books into their library at the City of Ottawa Archives. Initially I had thought I would first offer them to Library and Archives Canada but they do tend to prefer Canadian material in their collection which is understandable being the National Library. Although some of his books fitted into that category I did not want to break up the collection so I did not pass the list to them to look at after all. However, I will put together all of the Kipp family material that he has collected of Canadian origin so that I can offer that to them and give it a permanent home. He has a lot of pictures of the Kipp families who went west and were amongst the first settlers in many regions of western Canada. He also published a genealogy of this family which is already in Library and Archives Canada. I would make it free and open access with no limitations so that another keen Kipp researcher can also make full use of all of his material. That will take me a bit of time to put that all together but I may put it at the front of my agenda once I am into doing that work. First we need to organize the house so that I can get back into research eight hours per day. We were both doing about six to eight hours of our own research each day broken up into various working periods through the day along with all of our exercise before COVID-19 struck.

 

Gradually moving forward

Edward's library has been donated to the Ontario Genealogical Society Ottawa Branch and they will take possession next week. It will take a while but his books will soon be on the bookshelves in the City of Ottawa Archives where he can continue being that person who helps others to achieve their genealogical dreams as he did.  

Kipp DNA project

Edward managed his Kipp DNA project and it was very rewarding for him in that it proved his line back to the emigrant Kip line of New York that arrived in the 1630s in what was then New Amsterdam in New Holland from Amsterdam, Holland (The Netherlands). I really did not have a lot to do with his project and now I need to figure out what to do with that project. Last December perhaps it was he mentioned that he had had an email from a Kipp who lived in Paris, Ontario interested in the DNA so perhaps I shall contact him to see whether he would like to take over the project.  I did do the organizing of the data into groups and have helped him with the Family Finder results which is rather lucky probably. But passing it on to another Kipp enthusiast is perhaps the best way to handle that project. Our daughters will not pass on the yDNA so it ends with him in terms of his father's line. His cousins have sons so they will continue the line and have done so although I do not actually know any of them that well. We moved to Ottawa 46 years ago and our trips back although frequent were strictly to close family most of the time and that was mostly grandparents although we did see our siblings most of the time as well. 

However, I will mention it on this blog in case there is someone who is really keen to get involved as having more than one person on a project is a really good idea. 

The exciting part of the yDNA project for Edward was proving his line back to the New York Kip family and then he managed to take it back to The Netherlands and the area where this family lived before living in Amsterdam. There are other Kipp families in North America and they descend from the German Kipp line that emigrated to the United States in the 1740s. 

Another cache of Link

I did find another couple of Link files that I have processed and will share if they appear to be different from anything that Edward shared earlier. 

The Link Family

We found Edward's DVD collection of family history tools and items. One is a Heritage Book Archive CD for The Link Family. Using Linux we were able to extract the file so will send that on to Edward's cousin. Technology really has moved along in the last twenty years. These twenty years saw Edward's tree grown from a few thousand to over eighty thousand. I will see if I can extract the *.pdf file and publish it to this blog later today. 

 

 

Link Family artifacts

Unless I find more items, the Link Family artifacts have found a new researcher to expand and manage that Family line for Edward. His parent's surnames were Kipp and Link and then one generation back Kipp, Schultz and Link, Allen. 

There is an active Allen family research group and I may ask if they would like the Allen material that Edward accumulated. They were a United Empire Loyalist family arriving in the Maritimes at the end of the American Revolution and settling in New Brunswick. They arrived in Ontario later in the 1800s. 

I have a lot of Kipp material that pertains to the Kipp Family book that Edward published. I have asked Library and Archives Canada if they wish to have the picture collection and I need to prepare that submission. The Kipp family were settlers from Dutchess County arriving in Ontario in 1800 from there some members went west and were early settlers in Chilliwack BC. 

A lot of work to do and there are still about 30 boxes of Ed's research for me to work on. I will not do any new research as it is over ten years since I helped him so I am not in touch with his last decade of work. I am a custodian and will pass it on to other researchers in his family lines via this blog. 

The Schultz material I will pass to his Schultz cousins as time passes. 

I will maintain his DNA work as I did that mostly for him. Eventually I will pass that on as well but for the moment I will keep analyzing new matches and adding them to his records. 

Henry Link and Mercy Ann Rathbun

Edward's great grandparents and this charcoal drawing is a good picture of them according to Edward's mother who remembered this couple from her childhood. When her family returned to Ontario when she was six weeks old they lived at their home for a short time. Again Edward had this picture restored. The scanner did a fair job only as the backing is very stiff and it is a large picture.

Better with the camera for sure.

Homesteading on the Prairies - Horace Lorenzo Link and Margaret Evelyn Allen

Edward's maternal grandparents homesteaded in what became Saskatchewan early in the 1900s. His mother was born at Carievale where they homesteaded.

 In this picture Horaace is on the wagon third from the left. 

Edward had these pictures (there are four more) restored and the difference was quite remarkable actually. 

The first was scanned and this second image is photographed.

First Project

The first project is to extract all the Link material (artifacts) and give them to Edward's half cousin. We begin that process today now that we have found the Rathbun Bible. I still need the inserts that I believe were in that Bible but I can always mail them later so will not worry about finding them. There are homesteading pictures which Edward had mended and a number of other items which can be put together into this trunk that we have to get to his cousin except the archival box is too large for the trunk. The trunk was too big for everything anyway and probably better not to have used it for the Link material.

That trunk is going to Salvation Army filled with CDs that I am eliminating from the collection. Along with a couple of bags of household items as I move forward with downsizing the trunk will be full and enjoyed by someone else eventually I suspect. 

Extraction of this Research Blog completed

 I completed the newest Research Blog and posted it to my husband's website:

 http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/edwardmain.htm

Working on his second Research Blog - Kip/Kipp Family in America -  and it commenced in 2008 just after our Research Trip to Salt Lake City. What a fabulous week that was. We wandered all over the downtown area in our breaks. We mostly worked eight hours a day in the library but did take three good walking breaks every day. 

Posting to Blog

I have now become an author on my husband's blog and will gradually put his research material up on this blog. I have about 15 or 20 banker boxes full of his research which may or may not have already been published by him. I will attempt to ascertain that and publish anything that he has not published thus far. 

This is a much better way than I had originally thought to fulfill his desires to publish all his material or at least hand it to another researcher. Blogging it gives a much wider audience.

Edward Kipp, HBSc, PhD, MLS, UE - 1943-2021

Regretfully I inform my husband's readers that Edward succumbed to his long illness on the 10th of April 2021. It has taken me nearly two months to write this blog post as I work through the process of losing him. He was the center of our lives and still very much missed and always will be. Every occasion we will think of that missing chair and how much he would have loved to be there with us. 

Others have written about his contributions to the world of genealogy and other fields that interested him (and there were many) and I thank them all for their wonderful tributes to him. When Edward was taken severely ill in 2011, I very much feared for his life then and set about collecting material for the Queen Elizabeth II Silver Jubilee Medal. OGS took over the material that I collected and submitted his name and he was awarded the medal in June 2012. I much appreciated their doing so as I had intended to submit it on my own but their doing so brought more attention to his wonderful contributions to Canadian Society and I thank them for that. After a good deal of medical care and assistance, Edward had a pacemaker inserted in February 2012 which then enabled him to pick up the reins of his life and go forward and he did do that living life to the full for the next nine years. 

His lifelong interest in his Kipp family genealogy has taken him so many places we probably would never have gone and in his seventeen years of retirement he spent most of his time working on genealogy either for himself or for the Ottawa Branch of the Ontario Genealogical Society and the United Empire Loyalist Branches with research trips into New York State. He was rewarded by finding a family history that would excite even the least interested person in genealogy. His family tree included so many New Englanders and New Yorkers. The family names resound back through the ages to those brave colonists coming from Europe/British Isles in the 1600s to find a new life in the American Colonies. The names in his tree resound through early Colonial History much to his shock as all of that was lost over time. Each new discovery was amazing and thank you to Gary Boyd Roberts who helped him in his quest on one of the Getaways at the NEHGS in 2005. Up to then Edward had found his Canadian lines and traced them back into New England but wanted to be sure he was accurate. Hence the Getaway and we spent many many more days and hours at the NEHGS over the years following. 

Scarcely was the pacemaker in his chest a month though and we discovered that he had a shadow on his lungs which was eventually diagnosed as sarcoidosis. He was treated for that but eventually it did spread to his liver where he suffered cirrhosis secondary to sarcoidosis. Again he was treated but eventually succumbed to this disease. I see him also as a victim of COVID-19 lockdown as he loved to get out and about shopping and walking and shopping and the lockdown kept us at home. During the summer before he was out gardening and walking about in the yard and it is a good sized yard but the winter snows shut him in sadly. 

Most of Edward's books will be donated to the Ontario Genealogical Society Ottawa Branch, they have kindly accepted. We are preparing the boxes and lists now (more than 40 boxes). Another set of his books (the last of his National Geographic Books) will be donated as well (he had already given them most of his collection). His research was pretty much American and Canadian and I do not use any of his books with my research being all British Isles (mostly England) and I can always go and use the books there anyway. He would want them to be used by other researchers. 

I will use this blog over time to publish any of his material that he has not yet published in memory of the work that he has done. I retain about 20 boxes of his research for that purpose. Very luckily he found a Link cousin who will take the material of that family (he is a half cousin so I will retain the Allen family history which was Edward's grandmother).